Thread: Won’t be retro...

Originally Posted by goingbush

its all good , Im generally disliking everything I see about the LR2020 & let a few off the cuff remarks rip , so I'm bound to cop one on the chin in return. No hard feelings either way .

As for the BEV version , nope not interested that either. The car is too weighed down with unnecessary tech & junk i'm not interested in. Going by the pictures it just looks like any other 'SUV' Pajero / Prado / Patrol / 200 Series - I can hardly distinguish one from the other .

I'd rather have a JL Rubicon, or a Gladiator, but my $$ are still waiting for Bollinger. (I'll be able to tow my horse float with it ) .

Your a good man .

Interesting, im no longer scared of electronics if they are proven reliable, if i was scared i wouldnt fly. Was just looking at the Ipace article in the latest just 4x4s mag and thought of your Bosch motor pic.

Haven't really taken much notice of the Ipace but i guess in context of future BEV defender its worth a look.

I wonder what the Ipace uses for the 2 electric motors?

Bat warranty and warranty is higher than usual LR warrantys

Power and torque impressive as is range.

Not a fan of its look yet.

Apparently won around 60 awards, so that's good for LR on its electric front.

It is interesting, in that I assume we can expect a similar EV package to become available in LRs, probably starting with Range Rovers and working down as production costs fall. A Defender EV with an 800km range would be a desirable vehicle, I think.

Probably wouldn't say no to an I-Pace TBH. Pity it looks like a Freelander though.
(clearly the driver has no dirt road experience)

Originally Posted by DiscoMick

A Defender EV with an 800km range would be a desirable vehicle, I think.

Until the battery warranty runs out. 160,000km!?

And the range capacity might be 800km week 1. But its only going down from there.

The other thing with modern BEV (thinking Tesla here) is that they are always on. Just leaving it in the sun for a couple of days will use up kms.

A 800km range lithium defender on todays tech would be a rubbish defender, unfit for purpose. 4+ton of imminent e-waste.

Land rover are not capable of creating a go anywhere, long range, global expedition capable BEV. Not yet, and not in time for the next gen defender.

What they can do is make one that is exclusive and looks good humming about town - that would be desirable. For a short while at least.

BR needs to read up on the latest battery tech. 3000 charge cycles at 80% DOD the standard, before a drop off in performance . lets say a realistic range of 250km @ 80% ( 800km not going to happen for a few years yet ) 250 km x 3000 = 750,000km if batteries are not abused

Originally Posted by goingbush

250 km x 3000 = 750,000km if batteries are not abused

True, but in reality land rover would have to renew the battery pack multiple times to cover that many kms. People are being sold on max range and supercharge times. Considering this and the potential cost of replacement, I would not be suprised to see 160,000km warranty limits with many complaints of significant range loss to soon follow.

Originally Posted by goingbush

Probably wouldn't say no to an I-Pace TBH. Pity it looks like a Freelander though.
(clearly the driver has no dirt road experience)

I really had no idea they were an offroad car aswell. Cheers.

Originally Posted by manic

Until the battery warranty runs out. 160,000km!?

And the range capacity might be 800km week 1. But its only going down from there.

The other thing with modern BEV (thinking Tesla here) is that they are always on. Just leaving it in the sun for a couple of days will use up kms.

A 800km range lithium defender on todays tech would be a rubbish defender, unfit for purpose. 4+ton of imminent e-waste.

Land rover are not capable of creating a go anywhere, long range, global expedition capable BEV. Not yet, and not in time for the next gen defender.

What they can do is make one that is exclusive and looks good humming about town - that would be desirable. For a short while at least.

Full BEV defender is rumoured for a few years away.

Landrover seem to be near the top or at the top of the EV game with the Ipace
https://media.jaguar.com/news/2019/0...0&brand=jaguar
So it stands to reason they have both the capability and the means to ensure the new defender will be a world class quality BEV proper 4x4 and one of the best on the market. In a few years who knows how much range will be possible.

Batterys don't last forever, they will need to be swapped out at preemptive intervals in the same way engines and gearboxes need reco's

For me at this time mild hybrid or hybrid is fine for my needs.

Maybe down the track a full BEV if the specs and supporting infrastructure line up with my 4x4 touring needs.