Won’t be retro...

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Originally Posted by scarry

And a great rear tailgate set up,and numerous available accessories from the aftermarket guys.

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Tailgate is open to opinion it seems.

16 ways the new Land Rover Discovery is better/worse than the previous Discovery | Practical Motoring

D4 got some good accessories however it had been on the market around 7 years by the time it was replaced and I'm sure all the accessories slowly came to market as the are with the D5, however I'm sure many lessons learnt with D3 would have been adapted fairly easily to D4.

D5 has only been on the market 2 years comparatively so I'm sure you would agree more accessories will come in time, some don't even realise what's a already out there.
18s,
1-6inch lift kits
Rock sliders
Bullbar, others being designed.
Winch mounts
Spotlight mounts
Expedition rack
Rear storage
Cargo barrier and load space divider (genuine)
Hitch RWC(with 2x jerry holders.
People are fitting fridges

Here is a great account showing what's going on, lots in oz and O/S




Exploring the 2017 Land Rover Discovery 5 " D5 " Off Road options – LK8 Parts & Accessories

Ohh how time flys. – LK8 Parts & Accessories


Great account you can look up showing whats going on with D5s


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Originally Posted by SBD4

Hey BR, what would be your intended use for a disco in that config? If you're thinking about offroad then forget it, it needs a dual range transfer box (and air suspension for clearance) and to get that you are forced to have the V6 variants ( and air susp.). That's plus 10K. If you're going to say just add a subframe drop/lift to the coiler then that's more than 10K anyway and moot because you wouldn't have the dual range box.

This is just LRA playing with people and forcing them into corners and making them spend money they shouldn't have to, to get the features they want. In the UK, 'S' spec Discovery comes with air suspension and dual range transfer case with the SD4 engine as standard. As you can see, it's easy to become a little cynical about LRAs approach to the Australian market. In fact they are probably the biggest obstacle to the success of the brand here in Oz as LR vehicles are very good.

LRA will really need to watch that with the defender, they need to allow a base vehicle to be configured with full off road capability without the need to bundle in other stuff (costs) that is not needed.

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Hey, allready discussed above, this is why Low Range and AirSusp is an option in AU, grey nomads come to mind + any commercial applications.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/l660-defe...st2913084.html

Why pay for something you dont need. [emoji41]

Its like a builder saying you have to have a pool and a diving board when quoting you a house even though you are a paraplegic and will never use the pool. You would find another builder.

People would complain if LR didn't have coil option, and also if they do.

New defender will no doubt based on mules have coil option, people will probs whinge about that too. [emoji1787]

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Originally Posted by DI5CO

2020 Land Rover Defender to take the fight to Toyota

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Good article, some comments on it yesterday from memory

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Originally Posted by ozscott

And better rear cargo shape for stuffing it full of touring kit too. But just the fact that you have to pay 30k more than a base D4 to compete with a base D4 off-road is insane.

Cheers

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Remember inflation adds approx 10k every 10years

For example a 65k car in 2009 would be priced the same at 75k in 2019

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Originally Posted by blackrangie

Interesting, what are the features the D4 has, the D4 doesn't, first of heard of that 1

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I actually posted this on the "why we hate the D5 thread". D4 is good because:

• it's basically a box, with a flat bonnet, so you can see where the corners are when in tight places - D5 is curved, including the bonnet
• it has a glasshouse all round, so you can actually reverse it without a camera - D5, really poor rear vision
• it has a low waistline all round and large windows, so it's light and everyone can see out - D5 is like a big Evoque
• second row has three equal sized seats that fold flat (well, in the 7 seater in any case) - D5 has a 30/70 split second row and doesn't fold flat
• third row has heaps of leg room and head room and huge windows with a low waistline, so kids love it back there because they can see out and adults fit too, and it has theatre seating - D5 third row has a low, curving roof, porthole windows that kids can't see out of and way less leg room because of the lower roof, also can't see over the second row seats
• no split tailgate
• it has a really tight turning circle, tighter than my CR-V - D5? maybe

So, basically all of the elements of the D4 that families bought them for didn't get carried across to the D5.

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Originally Posted by Arapiles

I actually posted this on the "why we hate the D5 thread". D4 is good because:

• it's basically a box, with a flat bonnet, so you can see where the corners are when in tight places - D5 is curved, including the bonnet
• it has a glasshouse all round, so you can actually reverse it without a camera - D5, really poor rear vision
• it has a low waistline all round and large windows, so it's light and everyone can see out - D5 is like a big Evoque
• second row has three equal sized seats that fold flat (well, in the 7 seater in any case) - D5 has a 30/70 split second row and doesn't fold flat
• third row has heaps of leg room and head room and huge windows with a low waistline, so kids love it back there because they can see out and adults fit too, and it has theatre seating - D5 third row has a low, curving roof, porthole windows that kids can't see out of and way less leg room because of the lower roof, also can't see over the second row seats
• no split tailgate
• it has a really tight turning circle, tighter than my CR-V - D5? maybe

So, basically all of the elements of the D4 that families bought them for didn't get carried across to the D5.

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Whilst i agree with some of those points, in context with the article above re: things people like better in the D5, your final sentence would be a stretch imo. Some would prefer the D5, others D4.

Same with new defender, some will prefer new, some old. All good either way.

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Remember inflation adds approx 10k every 10years

For example a 65k car in 2009 would be priced the same at 75k in 2019

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Inflation has been low. Haven't fact checked that but it doesn't come anywhere near the 30k difference. If someone bought a d4 and then wants to upgrade to the same basic spec on and off-road it's a $30k increase...about the cost of a nice Mazda 3.

Cheers

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Originally Posted by ozscott

And better rear cargo shape for stuffing it full of touring kit too. But just the fact that you have to pay 30k more than a base D4 to compete with a base D4 off-road is insane.

Cheers

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Correct,I can’t see the value at all.Its all the add ons that is rediculous

Then there is the depreciation,at least 10K a year for the first 5 yrs.In reality probably more depending on Ks.

As I have said,it’s designed for a different market than any other Disco,as LR have said,to make way for the new Deefer.

We seem to be parrots here,keep repeating same old.[biggrin]

Those that want one,great,grab one,but for me no way,it’s not the type of vehicle I want.

As for BLackies comment about more accessories coming for it as time goes on,I doubt it.

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Originally Posted by blackrangie

Tailgate is open to opinion it seems.

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Everything is open to opinion,but we will have to agree to disagree[biggrin]

Live with the split tailgate for a few years and then you will realise how good it is,as many on here and other sites have said.

A journalist that tests a vehicle for a few days wouldn’t have much idea at all.

Did they mention a bat wing type awning won’t work with the full tailgate on the D5 as it lifts up too high?

Just one of many downfalls compared to the older set up.

No didn’t think so,it just shows how good they are at their job.

Anyway,only my 2 cents worth....[biggrin]

You missed the point here, this was written in response to you posting a D5 vehicle configuration that was supposedly cheap as an example of what might be achievable for the new Defender which, in the context of the conversation has been about something that is relatively affordable and off road capable etc.

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Originally Posted by blackrangie

Hey, allready discussed above, this is why Low Range and AirSusp is an option in AU, grey nomads come to mind + any commercial applications.

Won’t be retro...

Why pay for something you dont need. [emoji41]

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I have no issue with making things like air suspension and dual transfer case optional, the issue is that to get those things you are required to upgrade the engine as well from the SD4 to the TD6 which makes it a far more expensive exercise to get what you want. LRA make you pay for stuff you don't want to get the stuff you do want. This just one example of how LRA bundle features together in "packs" which can be quite expensive. Not only that they will split desirable features up into separate packs so that a buyer will be forced to get both packs to get the features they want. Not only that, many of these features are standard on other brands but you are forced to pay for them on a LR.

The point being that the cool off road gizmos will likely be options that will force the price up making the vehicle expensive and out of reach of those that want to use it for what it is designed for thus limiting it's potential market.

Regarding your mention of grey nomads... if they are towing heavy loads they need low range, not for highway towing, but for maneuvering. Any conditions that require low speed maneuvering (esp. reversing) for any length of time will risk the auto trans overheating (not to mention the finer control you have of the accelerator with LR).

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Originally Posted by blackrangie

Its like a builder saying you have to have a pool and a diving board when quoting you a house even though you are a paraplegic and will never use the pool. You would find another builder.

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I think I can get what you're saying without the simplistic analogy[bigwhistle][wink11]

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Originally Posted by blackrangie

People would complain if LR didn't have coil option, and also if they do.

New defender will no doubt based on mules have coil option, people will probs whinge about that too. [emoji1787]

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Yep, you're right, people will complain. Just like Abraham Lincoln said, "You can please some of the people..." you know the rest, but I'm not one of those folk. As someone who has bought 3 new late model vehicles form LR I think I am well placed to make comment on the sales and marketing strategies of LRA. I love the brand, but LRA really do bend you over with the way they structure the pricing along with limiting how AUS vehicles are configured for the luxury sector.

There are people that would love to have a D5 but to get what they NEED it becomes too expensive and they go elsewhere. To build market share LRA need to cater to the lower end of the market so people can get their foot in the door and experience the brand.

Ultimately, I am just saying that I hope they don't take the same approach with the Defender.