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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeros View Post
    JLR’s cred as a 4x4 manufacturer is entirely dependent on Defender.

    Their cred as an innovative, high tech, high end, city car maker is not in doubt at all and EVs are central to this.

    Whether they can successfully marry the two and not just be a 100% Toorak tractor maker is the question IMO.

    Its great to see iPace EV doing so well...hopefully it bodes well and the tech can be deployed in a real off roader.
    The Range Rover also has lots of cred., but its too expensive new for most people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoMick View Post
    The Range Rover also has lots of cred., but its too expensive new for most people.
    Yes in the category of luxury SUV.
    ...Which is the only category Land Rover currently make vehicles for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackrangie View Post
    SUV definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary

    I guess, but SUV is pretty broad.

    I guess the CEO of JLR saying it is sensational against the competition on and off road is something.
    SUV Reviews | CarsGuide

    Id like to see some of these so called "suv's" live up to that definition, lately what they are calling an suv is nothing but a large hatchback MAYBE with AWD capability.
    At least all of LR vehicle's can live up to the name suv which most are way more than that.
    Cheers Jim

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    Quote Originally Posted by LRJim View Post
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    At least all of LR vehicle's can live up to the name suv which most are way more than that.
    Cheers Jim
    And shod with a descent set of off road tyres,not much else would come close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeros View Post
    Yes in the category of luxury SUV.
    ...Which is the only category Land Rover currently make vehicles for.
    I get what your saying, however according to the pic attached of JLRs current segments are a bit more broad as a company and lets not forget they are still making the current defender in v8 form currently and will reborn any defender for you, it also shows what market the new Defender will target, people that want the best of both worlds.

    A 200 series and a Y62 patrol I would say would be in the same Luxury SUV segment both externally, internally and capability wise as the RRV and D5.Of course RRV winning on all fronts Won’t be retro...Won’t be retro.... They are all luxury SUVs, thats what buyers seem to want as 95% of the time they are on the blacktop.

    I do want to see the aftermarket make more barwork for the RRS, D5 and RRV like the D4 got. Yes they may not need it to go offroad, but like the Y62 people may only take it seriously as a legitimate offroader when its all barred up.

    Im guessing if the new defender gets into lots of hands in the states, the aftermarket will go nuts like the wrangler.




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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoMick View Post
    The Range Rover also has lots of cred., but its too expensive new for most people.
    Not as a hard core offroader. The Deefer will have to be good and offroad it will likely be much better than the Full Fat RR for a number of reasons.

    Cheers

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    What makes a vehicle a hard core off-roader?

    The mule pics indicate if will have steep entry and departure angles, so will be better than RRV in that respect.
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    Yeah everyone has a different view of what a hard core offroader is.

    Cheers

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    Won’t be retro...

    Quote Originally Posted by ozscott View Post
    Yeah everyone has a different view of what a hard core offroader is.

    Cheers
    I’m sincerely interested in perspectives/opinions. Posters have expressed concern that the new Defender won’t be a real or hard core off-roader or that it won’t be a work vehicle.

    What makes a vehicle in or out of the tent?

    I don’t think there is a right or wrong answer, just perspectives about what vehicle characteristics get it into one of these categories and meet individual requirements.
    L322 tdv8 poverty pack - wow
    Perentie 110 wagon ARN 49-107 (probably selling) turbo, p/steer, RFSV front axle/trutrack, HF, gullwing windows, double jerrys etc.
    Perentie 110 wagon ARN 48-699 another project
    Track Trailer ARN 200-117
    REMLR # 137

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    Won’t be retro...

    I might as well start. My personal perspectives have changed over time. But I one time I wanted (and wouldn’t look at anything other) a vehicle with a strong ladder steel (gal preferred) chassis, that was rugged in appearance including some barwork to protect against roos, and it had to be simple so it could be easily repaired, had to have good traction. Alloy body parts appealed to me as I do some beach work. It also had to be able to carry a heap of gear.

    Mechanical simplicity at a perentie level has disappeared. No car maker can deliver that anymore. Ladder chassis is probably also in JLRs past, not future. It needs to be able to take barwork (incl winch) as people value that. Square and big cargo space to take a heap of gear is also probably possible and important.
    L322 tdv8 poverty pack - wow
    Perentie 110 wagon ARN 49-107 (probably selling) turbo, p/steer, RFSV front axle/trutrack, HF, gullwing windows, double jerrys etc.
    Perentie 110 wagon ARN 48-699 another project
    Track Trailer ARN 200-117
    REMLR # 137

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