Won’t be retro...

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Originally Posted by blackrangie

Scary: without going too far off topic I have some friends that want to get a Discovery and they looking at the Discovery 3 would you suggest that they get a Discovery 3 with under 100000 k's or pay a little bit more for a Discovery 4 with low ks looking at the 20-30k mark.
Air or coil?

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As someone else said, a D4 with low ks would be $50k+, and there actually aren't a lot of D3s under 100,000kms. And if they are, as I discovered recently, it's best to google the VIN ... As far as I understand it there are very few D4s without air suspension - when I was looking around two years ago I saw just one. Tip: if you're searching Carsales, the latest model D4s are listed as "Discovery" instead of "Discovery 4" and then you need to choose "Series 4".

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Agreed, historicly back in D2,RRC,P38,L322 days the quality control was not the best before release of new model or redesign, most likely due to not enough ks in the real world testing and lack of fundamental reliability engineered into the vehicle.

As said above the D5,DS, Evoque, Velar, Fpace, ipace and no doubt others all have a good rep since release, this is no doubt due to their new testing regimes, even the humble disco sport and evoque were tested in the middle east.
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D5 has actually had a series of problems with HVAC, the info screens and oil dilution - lots of discussion here on the D5 pages.

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D5 has actually had a series of problems with HVAC, the info screens and oil dilution - lots of discussion here on the D5 pages.

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And its rear end needs a bit of attention....MAybe change it to the D4 setup...[thumbsupbig]

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Originally Posted by scarry

So the new Deefer is gonna be the first one?[biggrin]

Great,then you can let us know what it is like[thumbsupbig]

And how it stacks up against the competition.....[emoji106]

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Could be, if it lives up to the hype haha

Im sure the journos will let ya know how it stacks up, but seeming as tho the discovery always nails it each year and this will be more rugged/durable, its a safe bet imo.

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As someone else said, a D4 with low ks would be $50k+, and there actually aren't a lot of D3s under 100,000kms. And if they are, as I discovered recently, it's best to google the VIN ... As far as I understand it there are very few D4s without air suspension - when I was looking around two years ago I saw just one. Tip: if you're searching Carsales, the latest model D4s are listed as "Discovery" instead of "Discovery 4" and then you need to choose "Series 4".

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Cheers, good info

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D5 has actually had a series of problems with HVAC, the info screens and oil dilution - lots of discussion here on the D5 pages.

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Which motor, ingenium or tdv6?

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Which motor, ingenium or tdv6?

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From this thread:

Are OZ disco 5 suffering from fuel in oil and early service warning issus?

appears to be 4 cylinders and 6 cylinders.

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Which motor, ingenium or tdv6?

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I don't believe they are unreliable, they just need to be understood, driven differently and serviced differently.

The problem exists with many modern diesels, DPF/DEF related.

It seems to be a nature of the modern diesel beast

Hiluxs have a class action on DPF issues in AU, lights on dash, clogged dpf, limp mode etc.

V8 Diesel cruisers also suffer oil dilution issues.

From a post on this forum:

"DPF (or DPD) technology is not something new, its just been poorly implemented in the light vehicle industry to quickly meet high emission standards.
*DEF (diesel exhaust fluid) .... or adblue technology is the next step after DPF (see above) technology and vehicles dont use both.
*One big thing an engine needs to overcome to meet better emissions is internal friction (of the engine parts). To reduce internal friction manufacturers do two main things. Use a thinner oil and increase the clearances of internal parts. The down side of this is a greater consumption of oil and the likely hood of greater fuel bypass leading to oil dilution.
*Oil dilution from fuel bypass and oil consumption has always been part of a internal combustion engine.
*Typically older designs of engines are suffering more of the oil consumption and oil dilution issue.
*The two obvious ones that come to mind are the V8 diesel as used in the Land Cruisers and the V6 diesel as used in the Discovery (5). Both are realistically (due to modern emission standards) past their design life.


HVAC

I believe people need to order the 4way A/C system if they want the best cooling for extremes in temp and rear seats cooling and adjustment, people with complaints just take the standard system.


To be frank, all this DPF, regen, adblue, dilution just adds to the case that modern diesels are not anywhere as simple, fixable or reliable as days gone by. It looks like Nissan made a good call with the Y62 [emoji41].

If i were in the market for a D5, i would 100% go the 3L SV6 340hp.

I will be looking at petrol/hybrid(hopefully v8 or Sv6 options in the new defender if there isn't some improvement in diesels between now and then.

I run a injected, coil pack, LS chev petrol in my RRC, very reliable engine, and reasonably efficient for the power I have. Did not miss a beat in Vic high country river crossings.

I cant see any negatives of an efficient petrol in a modern 4x4 as long as the wading depth is the same as diesel.

Well here ya go, looks like the new defender will get a straight 6 electrically supercharged + turbocharged JLR built ingenium engine (no more ford Sv6).


395bhp
265 or 294kw [emoji44]
495nm to 550nm

The new engine, a straight six as opposed to a V6, will also feature mild hybrid technology as part of Jaguar Land Rover’s aim to have electrified versions of all its vehicles by 2020.

The car maker said the new 400PS petrol engine will “add straight-six balance and refinement”

The new 3.0-litre engine, which produces 550Nm of torque, can propel the Range Rover Sport HST from a standing start to 60mph sprint in just 5.9 seconds and on to a top speed of 140mph.

It features an electric supercharger which will deliver immediate power response and according to the car maker “virtually eliminate” turbo lag.

Combined with Jaguar Land Rover’s Mild Hybrid Electric Vehicle (MHEV) it will also deliver efficiency, with claimed combined fuel economy of 30.5mpg and CO2 emissions of 213g/km.

"It features a unique combination of an electric supercharger to deliver immediate response supported by a twin scroll turbocharger and Continuous Variable Valve Lift, which boosts power and help the engine to breathe with maximum efficiency," JLR said in its press release.

JLR claims the new engine is 20 per cent more efficient than the current V6 petrol engine, and reduces particulate emissions by up to 75 per cent thanks to a gasoline particulate filter.

Regen and mild hybrid

Considering this, i would be surprised if they still do an 8 in the new fender, its simply not needed.

Jaguar Land Rover reveals Ingenium inline-six | CarAdvice

Jaguar Land Rover reveals exciting new engine plans - CoventryLive

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Well here ya go, looks like the new defender will get a straight 6 electrically supercharged + turbocharged JLR built ingenium engine (no more ford Sv6).

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I didn't see any mention of the Defender n those articles....did I miss something?