Thread: Won’t be retro...

Low range?

Originally Posted by DiscoMick

Low range?

thats capability 🤣🤣

Originally Posted by goingbush

How is this any more Versatile the a Ford Territory, Pathfiner or Subaru Outback ?? its not , its a Station Wagon .

I would call an Outlander Versatile , The Outlander PHEV can run on Petrol or Electricity . and there is 5/7 seats or Petrol & Diesel models, thats versatile.

Are you serious? The Disco 5 is super comfortable on the bitumen, can tow 3.5t, has a super flexible interior payload space (admittedly not as good as the D4 due to shape), seats up to 7 with actually decent 3rd row, can go down to access height for sneaking into car parks and can stretch up over 300mm clearance for obstacles, comes standard with 2-range transfer case and full-time 4WD, locking centre diff, has the best traction control on the market with a variety of meaningfully different modes.

And you can also choose from a range of engines.

It's easily the most versatile SUV. It's not leading sales numbers for various reasons including premium price, damaged brand reputation outside the cities, and some terrible dealerships.

Originally Posted by goingbush

How is this any more Versatile the a Ford Territory, Pathfiner or Subaru Outback ?? its not , its a Station Wagon .

I would call an Outlander Versatile , The Outlander PHEV can run on Petrol or Electricity . and there is 5/7 seats or Petrol & Diesel models, thats versatile.

All the cars you mention don't even remotely come close to a D5, its one of the most practical family 4x4s money can buy. Look into the D5 mate, its no series 3, but its extremely impressive for what it is

Originally Posted by DiscoMick

Low range?

Yeah mate, its a class leading 4x4, just needs bars, no snorkel needed.

Originally Posted by blackrangie

On the offocial US LR site

"However, the next generation of Defender preserves the historic foundation of rugged durability, versatility and capability with a revolutionary design and the latest technologies. The all-new Defender will be revealed in 2019 and on sale in 2020."

All-New 2020 Land Rover Defender | Land Rover USA


Rugged, versatile, revolutionary, tech.

Getting back to this and the point, as JLR are realistic with their D5 claims, we have no reason to no believe future Defender claims.

Why overstate and under deliver, its better to understate and over deliver.

Time will tell, however from what i have seen so far, I'm optimistic until i see facts proving otherwise.

Originally Posted by TB

Are you serious? The Disco 5 is super comfortable on the bitumen, can tow 3.5t, has a super flexible interior payload space (admittedly not as good as the D4 due to shape), seats up to 7 with actually decent 3rd row, can go down to access height for sneaking into car parks and can stretch up over 300mm clearance for obstacles, comes standard with 2-range transfer case and full-time 4WD, locking centre diff, has the best traction control on the market with a variety of meaningfully different modes.

And you can also choose from a range of engines.

It's easily the most versatile SUV. It's not leading sales numbers for various reasons including premium price, damaged brand reputation outside the cities, and some terrible dealerships.

dead serious, The D5 IS NOT VERSATILE . Its a stationwagon that happens to be capable off road .

A Defender Was Versatile , Its was avaliable in multiple wheelbases , as a Van , ute, station wagon , HCPU , and Hardtop , and can be made no top , or soft top. an infinite amount of variations really. Thats Versatile .

Originally Posted by goingbush

dead serious, The D5 IS NOT VERSATILE . Its a stationwagon that happens to be capable off road .

A Defender Was Versatile , Its was avaliable in multiple wheelbases , as a Van , ute, station wagon , HCPU , and Hardtop , and can be made no top , or soft top. an infinite amount of variations really. Thats Versatile .

Whilst i dont disagree the defender is versatile.

As you can see people also think the D5 is versatile.

Could we all be right, for sure!

Im sure you would agree to call anything versatile you would need to include the question, in what regards?

So it really depends on your definition of versatility in regards to a 4x4

The D5 is the most versatile 4x4 in the following ways:

It can be a lifted 4x4 with amazing approach, ramp and departure angles offroad

It can be a low slung safe almost car like 4x4 onroad so that it hugs the freeway and can handle high speeds safely.

Then it can hit a river crossing up the cape 900mm deep without a snorkel.

It has a foot of travel offroad, with diagonally crosslinked long travel suspension.

Onroad it reduces its travel and opposes travel and body roll.

In can kneel to its bumpstops and let your wife in or drop down to fit in just about any carpark in a few seconds.

It can have 7 adults in side, 6,5,4,3 or 2, with all other room in those combos 100% available for luggage or storage as the seats 100% disappear.

It can have 2 adults with all other seats completely gone leaving an incredible about of luggage or storage space.

Flatten the second and third seat (which you can do remotely via an app should you so wish) and you’ll be able to squeeze 2,500 litres of cargo on board, helped by its two-metre load length and 1.4-metre load width. But drop only the third row and you’ll still get 1,231 litres. And you can add to that up to 21 separate storage areas that can add another 45 litres of space.

It can pick up the kids from school or turn up to a 5 star hotel and the next day be sill deep in mud or covering hundreds of kms of corrergations reasonably reliably and in amazing air suspended, climate controlled family friendly comfort even on a 40degree day and emitting 20times less pollutants than a Renault Clio and doing it at 6.5L per 100km!

It can be specced to work in the police force,a tough low spec family tourer, a commercial delivery van or a high end highway cruiser.


In regards to its breadth of capability for a family 4x4, it has no match and hence in this regard it is in fact also very versatile by the above definition. However it has its limits for sure.

The defender is a very versatile 4x4 in regards to being a trully capble adventure tourer, weekend hardcore 4x4, a serious workhorse, a hipster cafe warrior, etc etc
However there are many things the defender can't do well, and to improve its customer base to a sustainable business level, this needed to be addressed. No easy task whilst keeping its heritage intact.

Bring on the new defender I say, however the current defender still has its place in the world and a very important one just as the RRC does to the new RRV. Personally I love both for different reasons.