Thread: Won’t be retro...

Originally Posted by ozscott

I watched the videos and there was too much inspirational African music, drums and general jibber jabber to be at all confident that you could hear the silence of the vehicle approaching animals. The fact that the animals did not run away probably just means they, as park animals, are used to vehicles even ones with dodgy xamo (Or the new Defender was sprayed with burley).

I'm not getting caught up in inspirational video adverts (which these vids are) but there are bits that give me some confidence that the Defender may be good. But clearly we have a long way to go before a reasonable assessment of that can be made.

I too am unimpressed with the wheel travel when the Defender is in raised mode but let's face it it is not live axle. That is gone. The best traction off-road comes from wheels on the ground. Absent that the next best (and yes compromised thing) is traction aids and here LR have a very impressive system. For the vast majority of owners their total package will be all or more than what they require. I have seen first hand situations where D3/4 run about of ability and live axle continue on but it is right at the ends of what the live axles can do (without extreme lifts and disconnecting sway bars etx) and for me I would accept the compromise.

Cheers

Very reasonable comment, last few sentences are my thoughts exactly. Will be interesting to assess capability when its put up against the "competition", whoever that may be.

Gwagon, Toyotas, Patrol, Wrangler etc

Originally Posted by blackrangie

Very reasonable comment, last few sentences are my thoughts exactly. Will be interesting to assess capability when its put up against the "competition", whoever that may be.

Gwagon, Toyotas, Patrol, Wrangler etc

Are we talking on road or off road comparison , All those vehicles listed are underwhelming compared to the traditional Defender as far as off road capability goes . I'll be interested in a direct off road comparison to 1/ a factory Puma Defender,(if there are any unmodified examples left) if its better then it would be interesting to see what level of 'off road' preparedness is required on a traditional Defender to match the LR2020 .

Not really interested in any on road comparison, as long as it gets from A-B at the speed limit is all that matters.

Originally Posted by goingbush

Are we talking on road or off road comparison , All those vehicles listed are underwhelming compared to the traditional Defender as far as off road capability goes . I'll be interested in a direct off road comparison to 1/ a factory Puma Defender,(if there are any unmodified examples left) if its better then it would be interesting to see what level of 'off road' preparedness is required on a traditional Defender to match the LR2020 .

Not really interested in any on road comparison, as long as it gets from A-B at the speed limit is all that matters.

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Not sure how this will effect the full EV defender when it comes.

JLR teaming up with BMW for EDU tech

BMW and Jaguar Land Rover team up on next-generation electric drive tech – TechCrunch

Few articles from the big guys

Here are some new pics of the all-new Land Rover Defender | Top Gear

New Land Rover Defender: welcome to the jungle | British GQ

2020 Land Rover Defender Completes Grueling Test In Kenya

Who thinks there will be a V8 defender variant or not?

And will it still be mild hybrid or just pure 8, diesel or petrol.

I think there is a high chance considering how many people are still shoehorning 8s into defenders,works v8 defender, gwagon, cruiser and Nissan have V8's

Originally Posted by blackrangie

Not sure how this will effect the full EV defender when it comes.

JLR teaming up with BMW for EDU tech

BMW and Jaguar Land Rover team up on next-generation electric drive tech – TechCrunch

I stopped being interested with the Ineos Defender 'replacement' when they selected BMW as their provider of Engines / transmissions, and removed myself from the Ineos watch list.

so yes interesting development indeed.

Also interesting to hear in the recent news that Fiat/Chrysler and GM have been funding Tesla in the form of purchasing green credits. And now news of Fiat-Chrysler / Renault merger , Renault are also key EV developers.

Originally Posted by blackrangie

Who thinks there will be a V8 defender variant or not?

And will it still be mild hybrid or just pure 8, diesel or petrol.

I think there is a high chance considering how many people are still shoehorning 8s into defenders,works v8 defender, gwagon, cruiser and Nissan have V8's

No ICE engines on the way out , there wont be any more V8's . Ford are winding back their Windsor plant due to lack of US demand.