Thread: The New Defender

Originally Posted by blackrangie

Agreed base is reasonable for what you get, its actually very tempting to get the bare bones with walkthrough the more you look at it from a simplicity POV..its definitely going to be tough this week making the call on which direction to go.

Tend to agree - I would look carefully though at some of the options like the Off-Road Pack and Towing Pack on top of the base model. These look to represent better value for money than say upgrading to the D240.

Originally Posted by blackrangie

Some good shots from slovakia showing the roofrack really well. Great design, allows sunroof/ragtop with rack on.

Very complimentary to the spape

Also has the checker protection infront of guards and on rear light area.

Cant wait to see one with all the gear including the AU winchbar.

those wheels in gloss black would look .

Another point that needs to be considered, will ordering accessories delay order. If so what accessories will delay. Anyone heard?

The pricelist for some reason shows no accessories to speak off and all are also not showing online yet in AU

Will be interesting in 2020 also when the hybrid, 90 and fabric roof for both the 90 and 110 are released along with apparently all the accessories and the AU winchbar.

When selecting options also keep an eye out for the standard features that get deselected.

For example it appears as if Adaptive Dynamics can not be had with some of the options once added.

Here's the US brochure, shows what will be available later in AU at dealers (upgrades to packs etc)

Disc brake sizes found for 90/110

D5 for comparison

P400 def matches SD6 in disc size but caliper is different. 4 piston on front as opposed to 2
D5Land-Rover-Defender-Brochure-1L6632000000BXXEN01P_tcm281-715126.pdf

Originally Posted by 101RRS

With early adopters like BR and Tombie around and LR traditional depreciation rates, I will be in a good position to move into a near new top spec Defender for a good price in a couple of years

yes,just when it starts to need some expensive maintenance and repairs....

Originally Posted by blackrangie

Nissan, nobody mentioned not HD, just they lost the looks plot imo. Having said that the exterior and interior certainly looks much less HD than the new defender, same goes for the cruiser.

A LC200 is still a cruiser, nothing special imo. The defender is special and on paper a much better 4x4 both onroad and off all things considered. And its in a different league of vehicle as others have stated, comparing just price doesn't work.

As you alude to its all about value proposition for the buyer, the new defender is priced similar but much more value.

For me the value proposition of a special utilitarian 4x4 thats modern, comfortable, safe, good looking, airspung, future proof and most likely best in class on and offroad at nearly everything speaks for itself.

If you want average buy average, if you want something above average buy that if its within your means, features cost money and pricing reflects that.

Having everything the new defender has as standard is not cheap, pricing is fair imo when you look at pricing of the 4x4s most believe will be its competitors and what are standard features in them and their on paper capability limits.

For sure you can get a new defender onroad for under 100k with 5 year warranty, very easy to achieve even if you had to pay a few grand for extended warranty. Australia's consumer guarantee law covers us anyway (warranties are a bit of a scam in AU, but I admit having one makes it easier)

We didnt pay a cent extra for 5 years warranty, 5 years servicing, 5 years roadside on our last JLR purchase (special deal at time of purchase)

If you want a truckload of bells and whistles however they dont grow on trees and you must pay, they are smart releasing volume buyer pricing through to high end, 90 will be less, im sure they will do higher priced svx in future too.

Land rover from my understanding doesn't need to sell the most 4x4s as their price point is higher, they just want to sell a lot more than 20k p/y and of that 5k to non fleet buyers that the defender sold on average in its last few years, which imo they will do very very easily.

Buyers base "value" on many different criteria. For example, cargo size, seating, tech gear, safety, etc then that value is cross checked against things like reliabilty, serviceability, warranty etc. "Value" is the overall package, at least to me. I'll give you an example: G professional. Here you have a HD vehcile similar to a defender only built tougher, with a great engine and trusted by our military yet it doesn't sell. Why? Because it's trying to crack a market dominated by Toyota and the price point is completely ridiculous. If the G was $80k they would sell many many more units. It would take sales away from Toyota 70 series, jeep rubicon, and probably a few others, but no one wants to pay $110k for it because it's hard to find the "Value" proposition to justify purchase.

LR has a terrible reliabilty reputation, as much as some on here might disagree with that fact it's actually true and LR has no one to blame but themselves! They are not on the 15 most reliable vehicle manufacturers list in Australia, in fact john cadogan showed a list where they were in the top 15 worst! New Car Reliability | 2019 Brand Ratings – Canstar Blue

You can argue all you like but this is factored in when people are looking at the "Value" proposition of a vehicle, reliabilty and reputation.

A top speced cruiser at 120k will be bought every day of the week over a well speced 110 at $130k. Why? Simply because Toyota has the reputation for reliabilty, that's why the LC is the number one selling large SUV in that segment in most markets except the middle East and USA where it is beaten by the y62/ Armada. That reputation is worth gold! Will your average mum and dad buy a $130k LR that has a reputation for breaking down and then take it out bush, tow? No! Why? Because every other car out bush is a Toyota, so they assume that's what they need to buy and since there's no value in the 130k defender they go straight to the LC. Again I'm not a Toyota fan, but the sales speak for themselves.

Also a little twin turbo 2ltr diesel ain't going to attract or win over any Toyota or Nissan fans. Again you'll argue this point but I'm just highlighting peoples perception and we all know what our mates think of LR!