Thread: The New Defender

Originally Posted by blackrangie

Last time i checked based on JD power landrover had improved 180% over 20 years in dependability and was also most improved from last year (in the uk where there are multiple engine and model choices across Yota 4x4s JLR are pretty much on par reliability wise which is a fair comparo to AU).
Based on this they have been working very hard on their reliability as a brand over tge past 2 decades.
Im sure most with a newer JLR vehicle owners would agree to this fact.(we have both old and new).

With what they have improved ontop of this for the new defender its a safe bet imo.

I think it will take decades,if ever, for the masses to convert,no matter how good the new model is.

Comparing the number of sales of the two brands, in your post, speak for themselves,at least hear in Aus.That isn't going to change in a hurry.

Remembering LR build for the world market,not just Aus,where for the other brand,Aus is a huge market for them.They will therefore build and change,and market vehicles aggressively for the Australian market,where LR are less likely to.

Originally Posted by blackrangie

An In-Depth Look at the New Land Rover Defender | Outside Online

35s with 1inch lift

Further to this

An In-Depth Look at the New Land Rover Defender | Outside Online

Of particular interest is the factory diff ratios avail for mods, wheel travel and terrain response functions.

Recalculate air before wading, dab brakes after, brilliant.

Originally Posted by DiscoMick

JLR have lifted their game a lot under Ford and Tata.
Mind you, our 2009 Defender has been quite reliable - one clutch in 10 years, plus a few minor niggles. It still has the original springs and shocks too.

Original adapter shaft,clutch slave cylinder,you have been lucky.

In how many K's?

Our D4 has probably been the most reliable LR we have ever had,touch wood....

Which is amazing as its very complicated compared with the earlier models.It just shows how much LR,with the help of Ford, have lifted their game.

The Defender in my sig is probably the most unreliable LR the family has ever owned,i am sure everyone knows the Puma issues without listing them here.

Sure the Seres 1 needs a lot of maintenance,its all basic stuff,but reliability over 60 plus years was pretty good,repairs were easily carried out if needed.We have the log books for it.

But D4 maintenance costs are quite high,timing belts,brakes,suspension arms etc.

And thats without any EAS issues.

Originally Posted by scarry

Original adapter shaft,clutch slave cylinder,you have been lucky.

In how many K's?

Our D4 has probably been the most reliable LR we have ever had,touch wood....

Which is amazing as its very complicated compared with the earlier models.It just shows how much LR,with the help of Ford, have lifted their game.

The Defender in my sig is probably the most unreliable LR the family has ever owned,i am sure everyone knows the Puma issues without listing them here.

Sure the Seres 1 needs a lot of maintenance,its all basic stuff,but reliability over 60 plus years was pretty good,repairs were easily carried out if needed.We have the log books for it.

But D4 maintenance costs are quite high,timing belts,brakes,suspension arms etc.

And thats without any EAS issues.

Eas is known to be reliable for 200,000km in d3 onward models, then its just shocks as per the thread in this forum,imo thats pretty amazing for what it does.

Originally Posted by blackrangie

Eas is known to be reliable for 200,000km in d3 onward models, then its just shocks as per the thread in this forum,imo thats pretty amazing for what it does.

It's the bits that hang off the bags that can be problematic, sensors and the basics like connections. I have seen problems in the field due to these. Having said that overall they are pretty good and the truth is the capability of IFS IRS Land Rovers comes courtesy of air bag suspension, so if I was to get a D5 or Defender I would definitely specify air bag and just suck up the extra complexity factor.

Cheers

Originally Posted by scarry

Original adapter shaft,clutch slave cylinder,you have been lucky.

In how many K's?

Our D4 has probably been the most reliable LR we have ever had,touch wood....

Which is amazing as its very complicated compared with the earlier models.It just shows how much LR,with the help of Ford, have lifted their game.

The Defender in my sig is probably the most unreliable LR the family has ever owned,i am sure everyone knows the Puma issues without listing them here.

Sure the Seres 1 needs a lot of maintenance,its all basic stuff,but reliability over 60 plus years was pretty good,repairs were easily carried out if needed.We have the log books for it.

But D4 maintenance costs are quite high,timing belts,brakes,suspension arms etc.

And thats without any EAS issues.

Original adapter shaft, regreased. 138,000 kms. Original bushes are fine. It's had an easy life, but we're currently on the road for three months in the desert, towing a camper, so it does get used.

You know if it's got no ute option it's just for toffs

Originally Posted by 460cixy

You know if it's got no ute option it's just for toffs

Its basically an enclosed ute with all the space with seats down, won't suit all but most.
Dont agee its just for the rich, there are options from commercial buyers(fleet), volume buyers through to high end.