Thread: D-gas versus Dieselgas

Originally Posted by PAT303

If someone shows me how to ''Link'' to another thread I'd be more than happy.It was only a few weeks ago so look back through the tech section and you will find it. Pat

Just copy the address from your browser at the top of the page, paste it into a new thread and it'll show up as a clickable link.

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Results are in, Dyno figures D/gas
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Originally Posted by JDNSW

Just to put the situation in perspective -

1. Most states now have legislation to prevent insurers from evading payment of claims where the insured's transgression has nothing to do with the claim - and unless the claim is related to the modification (e.g. gas leak resulted in fire), and even then they would have nothing to stand on if they had been notified of the fitting. Although they might try to recover from the fitter's insurer. It is difficult to see how a failure to comply with emissions standards could result in a claim, and most gas system suppliers claim improved emissions results anyway.

2. The number of gas fumigation vehicles which may be technically non-compliant would be miniscule compared to the number that have had the fuelling modified without the new chip being submitted for compliance testing. And in most of these cases emissions would have been increased - but any insurance implications would certainly not come from the fact that the new fuelling scheme has not been submitted for compliance testing.

Certainly in most if not all states and territories the days of insurers rejecting claims for irrelevant reasons are long gone - occasionally they will try it, but it is pure bluff.

John

They can claim all the pollution reductions they want but until they have certified results from a government accredited lab ( of which there is only two in Australia )

As a result they are not certified to ADR79/00/01/02 and therefore illegal to be installed on any vehicle 2003 or newer.

The reason why the diesel gas systems fail is the build up on hydrocarbons and NOx in the exhaust. True they lower CO and CO2 but they fail on NOx and HC.

Victoria police this heavily hence the reason why most of the systems aren't for sale there. They make you pull the system off or void your registration. The other states will start doing the same shortly so Big Kev can meet his promised 5% emission reduction.

The only dieselgas company to pass is Gastek Global (AKA Sequent Systems)

Emission kits

Personally I'd be worried about how long the other companies will still be in business until the government shuts them down.

Dieselgas Australia now has it's QLD, NSW and VIC distributers on the market. (do a google search for "The Dieselgas experts")

Without the other dieselgas companies doing some R&D, it's quickly going to become a one horse race.

Thorne

Originally Posted by thorne

Victoria police this heavily hence the reason why most of the systems aren't for sale there. They make you pull the system off or void your registration. The other states will start doing the same shortly so Big Kev can meet his promised 5% emission reduction. Thorne

Very, very interesting, Thorne. I wonder how this ties in, with one government dept giving people $2,000 to have these fitted, and another one taking them off?

I would be really grateful if you could direct me to any supporting documentation. I am currently in a legal battle trying to get a refund on a dud system, and proof that they don't do what they claim in pollution reduction terms would be a real help.

Cheers,

Paul

ALL OF THESE SYSTEMS SAY THEY IMPROVE THE EMMISIONS AND ARE THE BEST BUT, ANY CAR BUILT AFTER 2003 HAS TO HAVE AN EMMISION CERTIFIED KIT TO COMPLY WITH THE AUSTRALIAN STANDARD AS1425 I HAVE BEEN LOOKING AROUND AT THIS. D GAS DOES NOT SEEM HAVE ANY EMMISION KITS OR DIESEL GAS AUSTRALIA THE ONLY ONE I CAN FIND IS GASTEK CHECK IT OUT AT Sequent Systems - Diesel Gas Injection Systems AS IF YOUR CAR IS NEWER THEN 2003 IT IS ILLEGLE TO FIT A DIESEL GAS KIT THAT IS NOT EMISION CERTIFIED .BECAUSE YOU MAY HAVE TO REMOVE IT LATER SO BE VERY CAREFULL

Originally Posted by Wilbur

Very, very interesting, Thorne. I wonder how this ties in, with one government dept giving people $2,000 to have these fitted, and another one taking them off?

I would be really grateful if you could direct me to any supporting documentation. I am currently in a legal battle trying to get a refund on a dud system, and proof that they don't do what they claim in pollution reduction terms would be a real help.

Cheers,

Paul

if they did reduce the emissions then all of them would pass the ADR 79/00 and ADR 79/01 testing and have lots of emission kits i have noticed that none of them have any emission kits that is except for gas tek global this is why the LPGaustralia with it's paper removing the barriers is trying to get the emission rules watered down so some of these polluting systems can stay in business

Originally Posted by Wilbur

Very, very interesting, Thorne. I wonder how this ties in, with one government dept giving people $2,000 to have these fitted, and another one taking them off?

I would be really grateful if you could direct me to any supporting documentation. I am currently in a legal battle trying to get a refund on a dud system, and proof that they don't do what they claim in pollution reduction terms would be a real help.

Cheers,

Paul

Ask them for their test results showing the reduction in emissions. We know they don't meet ADR70/00/01/02 cause they'd be selling certified kits like GasTek. Odds are they have never tested it and have no proof.

If your vehicle is 2003 or newer then unless they have a certification plate stating they meet ADR79/00/01/02 (depending on the year of the vehicle), the system is illegal and I wouldn't want to be them if it went to court.

If your vehicle is 2002 or older it's perfectly legal. Bugger all chance of getting your money back. It would cost more to get the testing done than the system costs. If they offer a money back guarantee and won't refund then go them for false advertising.

The only other option is to take it on the chin and tell every man and his dog what a crap system it was. It's cheaper and will cost the company more money in the long run. The court system is there only to make blood sucking lawyers money ( no offence intended to other blood sucking parasites out there )

Thorne

Originally Posted by defender 1995

if they did reduce the emissions then all of them would pass the ADR 79/00 and ADR 79/01 testing and have lots of emission kits i have noticed that none of them have any emission kits that is except for gas tek global this is why the LPGaustralia with it's paper removing the barriers is trying to get the emission rules watered down so some of these polluting systems can stay in business

Can't see LPGAustralia having a chance to water it down. The only real reason they can use is that the standard is impossible to meet. If Gas Tek Global has met the standard then that means it's not impossible.

Maybe if DGA and D-Gas can't meet the standard they should get out now. It might explain why the distribution companies for Dieselgas Australia in NSW, VIC and QLD is on the market. A phrase including the words "rats" and "sinking ships" springs to mind.

Thorne

To reiterate a previous question (sent in PM form as well), do either Defender 1995 or Thorne have any affiliation with Sequent Systems, Diesel Gas Technologies, or Gastek?