Thread: Army vehicle disposal

so what roofs would fit to replace the canvas. for both troopy style and ute?

Originally Posted by isuzurover

So Dave, how is the quality of the Land Rover offerings changing over time?
Sounds like they had some good ones at the start but the current crop are a bit average???

I had heard that also

Originally Posted by isuzurover

So Dave, how is the quality of the Land Rover offerings changing over time?
Sounds like they had some good ones at the start but the current crop are a bit average???

G'Day IR.
First, I am not THE Expert of the Disposal system or Military Procurement. If I was, Janes' would be paying me a lot more than my current employer.
So my opinion:
The sequence of disposal is governed by a few things.

• Supply of the replacement G-Wagons
• Disposal of excess or 'un-economical to repair' units
• AFMs plan for disposal to maximise the Auction price.

Supply is goverened by Politics,operational need, MBs supply line and issues with the vehicles that have been supplied.
Politics has certain high-profile units/ sub-units getting theirs first, spreading the love.
Op req has some receiving theirs first as their LRs need to be replaced NOW! This can be due to heavy use or Task creep.

MB can't supply the whole contract in one go and there are a few issues with the vehicles that need rectification before things go full steam ahead.
The above accounts for a few of the A- or B+ quality vehicles we have seen.


There are large numbers of ADF vehicles sitting for long periods of time on hard standing throughout the country. If the system identifies little or no requirement for them, given the anticipated timeframe for delivery, they are released.

These will be most of the B+, C+vehicles
The above is similar for the Un-economical repairs. Some may seem minor but if the life of the vehicle is not there the expense is not justified. Just like any vehicle, the professional repair cost is significantly higher than any DIY cost. B- to C-


Like it or not, AFM and Grays are in business, business is about money.
They are also under an obligation to maximise the return to Defense.
I don't think any of us would argue that, should the money go back to Defense and not buy a Politician a leather chair, the 'Premium' price is justified.
This may explain to some, why we saw a few RFSVs sold in Tville, then Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne. I believe most of these vehicles were ex- 51FNQR (vehicles from FNQ).
They are simply testing the markets to see where the money is.
Basic auction practice is to clump some nice stuff in with the dross to maintain interest and the "Well I'm here now, may as well buy something!" factor.
Also, there are rumours of vehicles being rebuilt/ repaired, pre-sale, to ensure the best result. This does NOT mean they are slapped together in a chop-shop fashion.



I guess for many, the question is "Are they selling the junk first, then the good stuff will come out as MB supply ramps up?"
The answer isn't easy.
We are 8 months into a 5 yr process with many independant variables in addition to the above.


First: Except for significant vehicles and the odd silly biddy war, average prices are pegged slightly higher than what the vehicles drivetrain is worth as parts.
Lack of information for remote buyers is affecting this. Hopefully this will change in the near future. Better information will increase confidence and the resultant bid. Watch this space.


A few of us have some quite nice vehicles for a very reasonable price.

I know of a few cases where people have scored vehicles valued at up to 500% their on-road cost.
1 RFSV, Tenix rebuild, sub-90k on the clock: $13K on road
1 IIMV, Tenix rebuild, 1200km only (logged), worth $130K 18months ago, $32K on road

I've said it before: Go to Great Wall or Chery and see what you can get for $15K and compare that to a Perentie, even one with 150K+ on the clock!
Remeber, it is not what just you get for your money, it is the lifetime cost to repair the accessories that hurts.



Second: The local market will reach saturation point. There are only so many masochists out there who want a 20+ year old, pov pack, noisy, drafty, Light truck.
BUT, a fool would expect that the only people who want one are in Australia. There are a few people exploring export markets.


Third: Human nature (even in a disciplined environment) predicts that some drivers will be less caring as the promise of a Shiny new car gets closer. This may affect the general condition of some vehicles.


Just my thoughts, but I hope this clears some things up.

excellent analysis dave. it really is a process of many variables. interest from outside of australia could greatly complicate things. what i'm looking forward to is how the price of the vehicles that have come onto the market evolves next year. how long are these owners willing to hang on to stock at quite highly marked up prices?

do you know how many of the potentially available 4X4 perenties were built post 1987/88? i believe to have read somewhere that 2500 of them were delivered in 1987, but at the auctions they have so far been mostly 88s and 89s? hearsay?

on another (isuzu?)thread there was talk about the refinement of post 88 engines compared to earlier ones. wonder if that goes for the civilian stock only or did the perenties get later versions of the 4bd1 at some point in time?

cheers,

pasi

Anyone have any idea how much the light trailers are going for? Interested in getting hold of one for a camper conversion.

I think in sydney they went from $600-$900

Originally Posted by pasi

excellent analysis dave. it really is a process of many variables. interest from outside of australia could greatly complicate things. what i'm looking forward to is how the price of the vehicles that have come onto the market evolves next year. how long are these owners willing to hang on to stock at quite highly marked up prices?

do you know how many of the potentially available 4X4 perenties were built post 1987/88? i believe to have read somewhere that 2500 of them were delivered in 1987, but at the auctions they have so far been mostly 88s and 89s? hearsay?

on another (isuzu?)thread there was talk about the refinement of post 88 engines compared to earlier ones. wonder if that goes for the civilian stock only or did the perenties get later versions of the 4bd1 at some point in time?

cheers,

pasi

2500 in 1 year would have taken all the production at Moorebank for 1 year even the civilian ones they only made 6 per day 8 if they did OT it was not mass production I don't recall any difference between army and civilian engines

I'm surprised to see a few ' Incomplete/ not operational' vehicles this time around!
Didn't think we would see them again. Nice buying if you have a week to reassemble.