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    Dreaded loose liner, would you go 5 liter?

    My 1997 4.6 hse Rangie is suffering what has been diagnosed as a loose liner. It is a one owner car that I bought new in 1997 and has covered about 190,000 km so I've no complaints (but considerable sadness). Because I really like the car, I'm going to have the motor reconditioned with top hat liners. Since I'm spending money anyway, and I know that I'm over capitalising because I really like and enjoy my car, I'm considering the 5 liter conversion.

    I don't do much off road stuff but do use the car around the city and also use it as a tow car pulling a big trailer with a racing car.

    I'd very much appreciate some insight into:
    Whether the 5 liter option is a considered a success
    Whether it really is a good idea to grind the crank in order to get the extra cc's (I've no problem with fitting bigger liners)

    are there any pitfalls or recommended procedures - eg is the standard radiator able to cope, is the transmission ok with the extra torque, does one fit different injectors or throttle bodies etc

    I'd particularly like guidance and your wisdom on which companies are recommended for an engine rebuild

    Any insight or guidance will be very much appreciated

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    How about the 4.8L option.
    Or stick with the standard engine and just get a towing cam fitted.
    Might be worth getting the heads CCd and port matched with an emphasis on bottom end torque.
    If you have been looking after your trans since new i would say that it will hold out ok.
    I had mine on a dyno 9 months ago wish i had done it years ago, i picked up 5Kw, doesnt sound much but it was noticeable.
    If you could pick up say 15-20Kw i think the 38 would be an even better thing.
    Radiator at the age of yours perhaps get a new one (stock)$400 well spent i would say. I replaced mine last year (95 mod) as i had the smallest of leaks from the expansion tank hose. In 12 years i have never had any over heating issues at all. But having said this i popped the tanks off my old one and it was clean as a whistle bar 2 tubes 1 blocked the other partially.
    Perhaps some exhaust changes are a good way to get some more power.

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    No substitiute for cubes in a petrol if you are towing,,
    price a new full alloy rad,,


    I've come to the conclusion there really is no comparison to a turbo diesel when towing,,
    600nm cant be wrong,,
    the 600 will cost you 100K though

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    From all reports these guys do a good engine.

    Rover V8 Engines for Range Rover, Discovery and Defender, remanufactured and new options available

    Or you could go silly on a 5.5lt from here.

    V8Developments Ltd.

    Gary

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    Quote Originally Posted by 33chinacars View Post
    From all reports these guys do a good engine.

    Rover V8 Engines for Range Rover, Discovery and Defender, remanufactured and new options available

    Or you could go silly on a 5.5lt from here.

    V8Developments Ltd.

    Gary
    Thanks Gary,
    very interesting and useful, much appreciated.

    I'm v impressed by the Turner website, above, and in particular the care which they take in building their product. Of course, where possible I'd prefer to buy Australian and I wonder whether any of our local engine builders approach those standards?

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    You can always talk to Triumph Rover Spares, they have a range of options available:

    Engines - Triumph Rover Spares South Australia

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    Yes they reckon they ar enow wWorld leaders in large capacity Rover engines, but I think their emphasis is on racing engines not day to day drivers in 4WDs. I can remember a couple of years ago the unhappiness of one poster who had followed their cam recommendation and was unhappy with the loss of torque.

    I noted in markets a while ago someone was selling a 5 litre engine and the seller noted that the forged pistons were really noisy when cold.

    What you want in a 4WD is a mild engine with good manners built to last a long time between teardowns and one which is quiet and civilised, probably with cast pistons and close clearances and a moderate compression ration of low to mid eights if 91 octane is to be used.

    I don't know if this is available. But you want to ask a lot of questions , seeing these are not factory build type motors.
    Regards Philip A

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    When the engine is stripped down and the liners seem to be in their correct position - how do you tell if there is a slipped liner. I have a lead on a short engine but its condition cannot be verified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garrycol View Post
    When the engine is stripped down and the liners seem to be in their correct position - how do you tell if there is a slipped liner. I have a lead on a short engine but its condition cannot be verified.

    Garry
    A while ago someone posted a video of a V8 block being warmed on a gas BBQ. Once the block was warm enough (checked using an infra red thermometer) the liners could be removed with little effort, using only hand force in a welding glove.

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    are you sure its a slipped liner

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