Thread: How to integrate rear indicator lights with pork pies without changing originality?

I wouldnt put orange globes in the front, I'd leave them white would be OK for a vehicle that age. What are you doing about parking lights at the front?
If you could get a dual filament lamp on the front it would be OK to have the existing park lamps as blinkers as well.

Regards,
Tote

Originally Posted by Tote

I wouldnt put orange globes in the front, I'd leave them white would be OK for a vehicle that age. What are you doing about parking lights at the front?
If you could get a dual filament lamp on the front it would be OK to have the existing park lamps as blinkers as well.

Regards,
Tote

What Tote describes is what my 2a has at the front. The parkers dull when the indicators are used, but that may be unintentional due to current draw. Mine wasn't built with indicators, they were added after release from the NSW police fleet. The rear has common trailer indicator housings/lenses, which would be period correct for its release into civillian hands.

Two posts on the Series 1 Club Website. The station wagon use twin filament in the front parkers and the brake light in the rear Pork Pie but special SW wiring is required.

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Do you need blinkers? In Qld at least, if they were never fitted, they are not necessary.

Way back in the dark ages when I was a pup and flashing indicators (replacing "B" pillar mounted trafficators - or A pillar in the case of the S1) were only just coming into vogue, it was common practice to use the existing park/tail lights as indicators.
When the lights were in use (in the dark) then the rear tail and park light current source was interrupted by the flasher unit and the tail/park lights blinked (in the case of European and British cars which ran their park lights in conjunction with their headlights - unlike American vehicles which did not.)
This was perfectly legal back in those days so it may be an interesting exercise to ascertain whether the actual law has been altered, or whether simply the relevant transport department's guidelines.
I believe that hand signals are still legal and acceptable, but these are sometimes easily confused with someone throwing a smoke out the window or perhaps drying their finger nail polish!
Regards
Glen

Thats right.... I still will dry my nail polish that way....

As far as I understand I don't have to do anything by law, as long as the car is original and was as such legal at the time of introduction to Australia/Victoria. However, someone else may know more about these legalities. The legality is not that important to me as it already registered on the road and no one created fuss so far.

Anyway, I would of course like to have a set of indicators. I do believe it is safer driving these days. I don't want some idiot crashing into me, thinking I am always going straight... seeing me drying my nailpolish. I do have the wiring for indicators ready to go (well doing the loom this Sunday).

As to the front and the question of parking lights... Being Dutch I had no idea what the term "parking lights" actually referred to so I Googled this...
"Parking lights, also called running lights, are automotive lamps designed to increase the visibility of a car in a variety of situations. Although most nations no longer require the use of parking lights, they can be extremely useful. Almost all cars are fitted with parking lights, although they are often linked with the headlights. Formerly, parking lights were run on a different electrical system, and were intended for use when cars were parked along narrow, poorly lit roads, to alert oncoming drivers to the presence of the parked car. In some regions of the world, parking lights still serve this function."

I guess with front parking lights you refer to the side lamps, on the wings. Well, I intend to use these as indicators. Thus indicators on the wings and low and highbeam headlights. I thought for the front that would be enough,... or???

My question is more about the rear lighting and indicators. Just to be clear... my Land Rover has:
-Front headlights with of course low and high beam.
-Front sidelights (parking lights to be used as indicators).
-Rear pork pies with twin filament bulb (light, brakes).

I am considering adding another bulb inside the pork pie housing. Seems possible? Anyone tried or did this?

The pork pie has of course a red glass with on the side a clear glass opening in order to light any license plate underneath. I thought maybe directing this clear part to the side with an extra amber bulb. But... would like to hear some feedback on the idea.

Yes I can adjust the wiring etc so that the brake light has the double function of indicator. But again, with todays drivers I would prefer to have the rear light, brake and indicator working seperate (light and brake through twin filament bulb).

In addition I have wiring and an extra period switch ready for the use of Hazard Lights. I think these things are just important. One of the previous links to the Series Once Club forum has a nice story about it:
"Its a long story but I had to have them .

(When at dusk a southbound car crossed the central reservation ( no barriers then) of the M90 south of Perth in 1982. It missed us in the northbound lane by inches and ended up careering along on its roof in the fast lane behind us.By the time it stopped All its lights were out. ... We stopped on the hard shoulder but had no way of indicating our presence on the almost empty motorway to approaching vehicles or of hinting that there was an obstruction on the carriageway in the dark. Two northbound vehicles crashed into the wreckage at more than 50 mph. Others swerved around the mess, missing us by inches. It was very nasty. Only by turning the Land Rover on the carriageway verge to allow its lights to shine back up the carriageway could oncoming vehicles see the silhouette of the broken and crashed vehicles and further concertina collisions were averted. We received praise from the Police who attended the scene for our lighting efforts. We never want to be unnoticed or invisible in that type of situation again. )

I fitted a simple on/ off push pull 'bridging' switch on the top of the steering column bracket. This connects left side and right side indicators together when the indicator switch is operated. The flash impulse then goes to all four lights.

and no, I have not burnt out a heavy duty flasher relay by misusing the system in this way yet ! "

Anyway, the question is not should I... but how could I...???

Thanks,

Kris

The clear on the pork pies as you say only does out to the side to light the number plate, I don't think it will work too well to use an amber led and relly on the clear. You will only get a flashing yellow at night time via the clear.

There is a chap here username "Taz" who placed some nice little amber lights under the front bumper bar and I think the rear crossmember. Probably no more than 3/4" in diametre, unobtrusive yet serve the purpose of a blinker/flasher/indicator. I am sure that if he is about or 260AC both appear to be series one buffs that could give you a few pointers. I'll see if 260AC is happy to come along on the weekend and discuss this while you are doing your loom.

re the fronts, send a PM to ian (BACKIN) he has done a beaut 109 recently with indicators in front parker lights... he may be able to assist you there..
photos of the vehicle are in this section.


As for the back.... refer to these...

Originally Posted by chris1983rangie

gees i havent been on the Series 1 Enthusiasts sector for a while since i have been camping in the REMLR shed. So bit of an update! the Landy is going well only addition to the LR is an oil cooler for the eng which is soon to be fitted. im enjoying it now, i take it out for a drive every now and then. so much fun to drive compared to my spongy 83 Rangie aka couch on wheels. LoL

a bit of a story and a close call i had a heart stomping moment during the past easter break. I decided to take the Landy out for a drive on the Sunday i had my brother & my 4yr old nephew with me, we were driving along when a car beside us decided to vere / drift towards us i hit the brakes and this car went into my lane the same car did it a few times and we could see the driver was looking for a street / house, but driving with her head turned and would veer off the road couldnt keep it straight, unbelievable! thankfully an accident was avoided. i only had just got my Landy on the Road!

anyways here's some pics of my Landy throught the year. to start off with a before and after!

also, my Landy is going to be published in the "Land Rover Owner International" Magazine.
in the readers vehicles section. I will inform you all when it is published.

cheers. Chris

BEFORE 2006


AFTER 2010

Originally Posted by chris1983rangie

see the small brackets made and under the rear "handles"? they hold the small (I assume LED) lights installed as blinkers.

would light up well, no panel damage to original, and in fact if you chose well you could find very sympathetic blinkers..some wouldnt know they didnt belong that way!

The whole thread for Chris's car is in this section, well worth a browse but I reckon youve been there, yes?

good luck, keep us posted with photos!
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