Thread: Military 109 wagon?

You mean bar treads?

If them Dunlop sold the moulds to, I can't remember but we get a lot of them from time to time in 16x9 and 16x7.5

The UK guys were horrified when I posted I was throwing them away as very hard to get bar treads in the UK now for classic vehicles

Not bar treads - I will send link to website

R

hmmmmmm the plot thickens..................

Feet up, waiting (as can't be bothered working today)

Originally Posted by fesm_ndt

I never knew that. Wonder why they bothered to change the location of chassis numbers

No idea, but may have something to do with moving it away from an area likely to suffer accident damage.

CKD - Complete knock down, a complete kit needed to assemble a vehicle (also didn't know that term was used that many years ago). Seems to have had the same literal meaning as today i.e. car pieces built in another country, assembled in Australia, fix local badge then deemed made in Australia

CKD, I believe, is the term used right from the start of the Landrover operation. By the mid fifties nearly all the Landrovers sold in Australia were assembled here, with the proportion of local content steadily increasing. From the start it was just things like tyres, but by the end of Series 2a production it included a lot more - most of the electrical system, wheels, glass, a lot of panels, plus, of course, the entire assembly process. I don't know what proportion of the total cost it ran to, but probably about 75% at a guess.

John

CKD is often used to rebadge something as being locally manufactured. A pet subject of mine as its a bit like a scan. You have to be near on a lawyer to get to the gist of the meanings sometimes

McDonalds burgers are made from 100% beef = there is a piece of 100% beef in there somewhere with the sawdust and soy beans

Packaged in Australia with the aussie logo on it = made in Chine and stamped packaged in australia

Originally Posted by fesm_ndt

CKD is often used to rebadge something as being locally manufactured.....

I have never struck it being used that way. As far as i know it is used simply to distinguish the vehicle as having been shipped from Solihull as a collection of parts rather than a complete vehicle.

In the time frame we are talking about, import tariffs on complete vehicles would have ensured a high level of local content (which is always measured in $ terms). It is quite easy to reach 50%, especially with a hand built vehicle like a Series Landrover, as the labour component of assembly is such a large part of the final cost. Add in paint, tyres, lights and upholstery, and you can get to about 60% quite easily. After this you have to start manufacturing bits that need significant tooling. I know that by Series 2a these included wheels and some body panels. After that things start getting a lot harder. The level of content was negotiated with the government of the day to allow concessional import of the CKD kits. As the level of protection of the Australian industry decreased, local assembly ceased to be economic, ending, as far as Landrover was concerned with the change of the 110 to the Defender.

But it is not really fair to refer to it as a scam. Even the most "Australian Built" vehicles have never exceeded about 95% Australian content, although they have sometimes claimed higher by exporting as much as they imported.

John

I am not only referring to ckd associated with Land Rover

If you import a complete vehicle it is classed as an import

If you import a box of bits it is classed as ckd but needs some local input and as said above could possibly be the only thing local was putting the tyres on or a local badge

There is many reasons for doing ckd and how it works historically for australia would be an interesting research project. Some reasons are:

- ckd avoids importation taxes (it don't now in australia but histrically did)
- ckd allows an import to become nationalised wheras imports can be taxed at a higher rate. This can be done on a country basis or regional basis

It is not something that greatly affects anyone driving in Australia but the CKD scheme is widely used accross asia to control the market by a few people.

Again it would be very interesting to see why the early Land Rovers were CKD. Perhaps to save space on shipping, perhaps no local skilled labour as I said above I was unaware the term ckd was used in the early 60's. To me it is very interesting in a why sense

Originally Posted by fesm_ndt

hmmmmmm the plot thickens..................

Feet up, waiting (as can't be bothered working today)

Sadly, the website I was referring to (dunloptyres.com.my) no longer shows the tyres I saw there a year or so ago. It used to show a wide range of light truck cross plies in old dunlop patterns and sizes.

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