Thread: Alternate engines for 01 D2 v8 petrol?

Hi all,

I am the friend of the original poster (ie the bloke with the possible cracked head or block) I was told by AMV Landrover that it would be cheaper (ie 8-$9000) to drop a 4.6 in my car rather then repairing my current 4.0ltr engine. However i have recently invested the help of a friend of mine from Pearl Automotive who is helping me repair my current engine with a worst case scenario rebuild cost of $3-$4000. As i was never looking for an increase in power etc and with the hope of keeping costs to a minimum and an increased reliability some of the suggestions of 600hp+ engines, while appreciated and dream worthy, are not really economically or practically viable.

Thanks for all the thought guys and i look forward to some further discussions via the forum as i can now access internet properly

Will keep you posted as my rebuild progresses

Cheers

What does their $4000- rebuild include? If you've heated it enough to crack a head or loosen sleeves then your only real option for the block is to resleeve and to do that without using top hat sleeves is asking for trouble.

TR Spares in Syd quoted $3500- for a hatted 4.6 short motor about a year ago when I was looking (ended up finding a 10000km 4.6 for $2200).It will be a lot dearer to rebuld yours as a 4.6 as you are replacing a lot of big $$$ items. $8-9000 would be a good rebuild incl all parts for a 4.6, it cost me less that $2600 incl the purchase price of the engine to fit. I bought new gaskets for everything, head studs (a definate if you are rebuilding, don't even think about using the TTY bolts), new timing chain and rockers and shafts. Just need to shop around and keep an eye on ebay and you can save some real $$$.

If your really attached to the D2, then i think the 4.6 is the choice, but make sure its been top hatted, other wise just get rid of it, put the $8-9K towards a P38 or D3 if you are sticking with LR.

rememeber when either in real life or on the internet to compare apples with apples...

make sure all parts are of equal quality and performance.
make sure all work is done to the same level of workmanship
make sure same amount of work/parts done

Serg

Originally Posted by uninformed

this is a quote from the book "Daytona Cobra Coupes" if you do a little digging you will know this to be written by people there and then....

"The original goal with Ford had been simple. At the Pikes Peak Hill Climb in Colorado, in july of 1961, Shelby had met Dave Evans, then the head of product planning for Ford,and told him about a car he wanted to build to challenge the Chevrolet Corvettes. What he needed, said Shelby, was an engine. He confided to Evan's that he had originally approached Chevrolet with his plan ( because Chevy's light 283 V-8 had seemed an ideal choice to fit a chassis he had in mind), but had been rebuffed. Chevrolet, he was told, didnt need a challenger to the Corvette"


NB the Chevrolte 283 was one of, if not, the first production engine to make 1hp per cubic inch


Ford GT40:

Le Mans finishing record:

1966 1st, 2nd, 3rd by 427 mark II's
1967 1st, 4th by 427 mark II's
1968 1st by 302
1969 1st, 3rd by 302

cheers,
Serg

Totally different story as told by Carroll Shelby on a Discovery channel Doco a few weeks back, so Carroll must have been lying in this doco, who do you believe, I have seen a few different docos on the subject and they all seem to back up Shelby's version, the truth is out there somewhere, Regards frank.

Originally Posted by Tank

Totally different story as told by Carroll Shelby on a Discovery channel Doco a few weeks back, so Carroll must have been lying in this doco, who do you believe, I have seen a few different docos on the subject and they all seem to back up Shelby's version, the truth is out there somewhere, Regards frank.

Docos done for TV generally arnt as indepth as books (the decent books), especially considering the time and reasearch that goes into them...then you have the editors who have to package the whole thing together....and then who is behind (money) the doco...will sway what info is and isnt included..

FYI the authors of said book are:

Peter Brock
David Friedman
George Stauffer

foreword by Carroll Shelby
Introduction by Bob Bondurant

those are some names that should ring some bells....

the Ford GT40 book I have is written by Ronnie Spain....

BTW you never replied to my comments regarding the Ford F1 engine being built of the V-8? and that cosworth did infact build their own engines from scratch....

personaly I think your seeing things a little to black and white...ford have their backing or name on an engine doesnt mean they produce it etc etc etc

I also think the original point was missed...I feel Brian was stating that the 350 is the most successfull production engine in racing...

not a brand, not full on 1 off custom cast race engines...just the use of the basic block and achitecture in motor sport...I dont know, but Id say it would be pretty close...

Originally Posted by uninformed

Docos done for TV generally arnt as indepth as books (the decent books), especially considering the time and reasearch that goes into them...then you have the editors who have to package the whole thing together....and then who is behind (money) the doco...will sway what info is and isnt included..

FYI the authors of said book are:

Peter Brock
David Friedman
George Stauffer

foreword by Carroll Shelby
Introduction by Bob Bondurant

those are some names that should ring some bells....

the Ford GT40 book I have is written by Ronnie Spain....

BTW you never replied to my comments regarding the Ford F1 engine being built of the V-8? and that cosworth did infact build their own engines from scratch....

personaly I think your seeing things a little to black and white...ford have their backing or name on an engine doesnt mean they produce it etc etc etc

I also think the original point was missed...I feel Brian was stating that the 350 is the most successfull production engine in racing...

not a brand, not full on 1 off custom cast race engines...just the use of the basic block and achitecture in motor sport...I dont know, but Id say it would be pretty close...

It's ironic that Pete Brock designed the Ford/Shelby Daytona Coupe and Our Peter Brock was killed driving a replica Daytona coupe.
I'm not sure what you mean about the Ford F1 engine, it started life as a 289 small block and advanced to the Indy quad cam engine. When Offy people threw a hissy fit about being dragged into the 20th century the indy engines were limited to 168 cu. in. so Ford downsisized their existing indy motor to 168cubes, hung a hairdryer off it and blew the Offy's into extinction.
I will quote a paragraph from Pat Ganahl's book Ford Performance.
Quote: "After Ford's suprising sucess with the stock rockerarm small block at Indianapolis in '63, they turned their engineers loose on one of the most sophisticated projects ever concocted, the Dual Overhead Cam Ford engine. Using the same basic 90 degreeV, 255-inch block (cast of aluminum (sic)), they added a pair of aluminum heads with four gear driven overhead cams, four valves per cylinder, and Hilborn fuel injectors.
It was designed strictly for racing (it has never been offered in a production Ford) and it has been eminently sucessful." End Quote.
When Ford dropped Racing, A.J. Foyt took over this engine and it became the worlds winnigest F1 engine, Cosworth became involved with Fords engine after it was developed and raced sucessfully, they (Cosworth) were partners with Ford on the F1 scene, Regards Frank.

good info there Frank.

in what form/s did the ford engine race in F1

when you say the most winning engine in F1, do you mean the brand Ford or the particular engine by Ford?

from what I know Schu'ys car ran a V6.....

cheers,
Serg