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    yes there is a lot of experience and knowledge here on this site. im glkad i came to take a look so thanks frontier. hopefull one day soon driving this car will be the pleasure it should be. and thanks verymuch for everyones help with this, i will do the checks on the things mentioned at lunchtime tommorow.. the ground wire will be easy for me!
    ill check for the soot and the bubbling when i have a look at it tommorow- and sus out exactly what the terms mean!!! thanks very much for the big pm list BLK knight. i was real happy to see somewhere to begin looking.
    it was sure enlightening and ill take another look at that now that i understand things a bit better. i can likley now exclude a few things now we have better idea of exactly whats been fixed and whats happening.

    i did take it for a five hour drive with no problem at all today.

    but it did hiccup on the drive home after they changed the accellerator pot doobie on friday. i will be getting onto the dealer to ask why i had to pay for parts and service under my warranty period too.
    next time i would rather go to the other guys suggested here if they arent gonna honour a warranty. some guys there are really good and others not so. i like talking to a mechanic really.

    i can see no oil around the looms. i had a decent peel and look the other arvo. when the loom went oily that time it repeatedly hiccupped a lot.
    i have since remembered that the mechanic did say he found oil in the loom and so he never just changed it for fun.

    since they changed that the hiccups have been comparably very short lived, actually remiding me of the time it first occured the weeks before the loom went bad.
    i would ring the guy that did own the car originally to see what he knows but i dont want to bother him really.

    i still have a feeling there is something it it that when it blinkers and hiccups in the cylinders at the same time that it may have led to current drain enough to show a faulty acclerator pot. i dont know if the alternator/gen would change its rate of output into the looms when a few cylinders baulk but for my limited knowledge it sounds feasable.. add to that a current use from blinkers and maybe thats what triggers the limp idle only mode.
    if ive done a limp mode then a key restart, then if i get hiccups on a straight road and she wont go to limp mode no matter how much it hiccups.
    meaning you get no error codes.

    it is funny that one poster lionel above had the same problem requiring both loom and accelerator pot to be changed- but ive had them both changed now and still had the hiccups. i think his has been fine.. this is why i feel i have a third underlying prob.

    you know i was blaming certain service stations fuels but it may be my fault for letting the tank go below the pump level just before i fill at that servo.

    i ran it down to 1/4 full today also and never had the probs but i am beggining to suspect that the depth of the tank may be having its play on it.
    i hadnt always been so specific with my keeping it half full as i never knew the pump got uncovered so easily.

    it does seem funny thoough for the pump doesnt seem to stop the car.
    i guess the pump being low or cracked or faulty could stop enough fuel for one or two cylinders to miss but i always thought that this pump was low pressure and only a small amount of fuel got sent to the injector from the lines. as such air bubbles sounds a bit likley culprit here.
    my fuel filter was changed after the prob, but worth checking to see if the rubber is there just the same. i recall screwing it tight down on the seal and when i took the old one off after the loom problem it was on real dam tight.


    i will do the checks above cause i expect it to happen again. but i will also now try and fill her up and run her down to only half way for a while now. then if no hiccups for a while ( im doing an eight hour drive next friday) and on the way back i might even let it go to a quarter or less a few times to see if that throws a spanner in the works.

    apparently there is no error codes for just when it missfires but yes error codes happened when it has a limp mode idle only.

    so really its likley had three things wrong. for all i know the misfires may have helped stressed the wiring loom seals. i was worried about damage to the drive train once back casue it was bucking like a brumby.

    im waiting almost eagerly for it to hiccup so i can throw the blinker on again too to see if i can trigger another limp mode and have it error up to maybe tell me to change the accellerator pot/part again or something else atleast.
    that will give an idea as to the pot being faulty at all even.

    ill be back to tell what i find soon. thanks again everyone.

    one more question of interest, why is there a loom that has been terminated with a male or female part but have nothing plugged into it in the engine bay up near the drivers main window? it sits there empty on the white paintwork near the hood hinge area?

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    Quote Originally Posted by runger View Post
    one more question of interest, why is there a loom that has been terminated with a male or female part but have nothing plugged into it in the engine bay up near the drivers main window? it sits there empty on the white paintwork near the hood hinge area?
    I don't know. There seems to be heaps of them in these things though.
    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by runger View Post
    one more question of interest, why is there a loom that has been terminated with a male or female part but have nothing plugged into it in the engine bay up near the drivers main window? it sits there empty on the white paintwork near the hood hinge area?
    If there is a plug on each side of the engine bay, up by the windscreen, I think you will find these are the connections for the optional heated front screen.

    This is only an option in really cold places, like England, or where people like more buttons on the dash (USA...)

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    i have an 04 td5 disco and also have the extended warranty.i have negotiated with the extended warranty people,i think it is allianz and they have agreed for a repair to be done by a land rover specialist & not a dealer.

    i bought the extended warranty from the lr dealer before the factory warranty ran out.

    as others have said, go to a specialist,not a dealer and you will get some accurate,professional advise.

    i will never go to a dealer again

    cheers

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    Check out this thread

    Anyone else's Td5 have "moods"?

    Cheers
    Simon

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    Alto at Artarmon were very good a few years ago, I was so impressed, but then they merged in with PAG and the workshop was relocated etc etc. Anyway, interestingly I came across a fella that used to be be involved with it all, and in a nut shell Alto's as I understand it lost the good staff that were in the workshop - well, I cant actually specifically say all, but you get my drift. Lets just say that I now use Davis Performance Landys and am always impressed with their work..... and there are a few familiar faces there that work on the car.
    Cheers
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    the fuel pump is 2 stage

    stage one is a high flow pump that goes via the filter back to the tank for the second part of the pumping (this is also the part of the pump that primes the filter and bleeds the system in case of sloshing) the second part is your high pressure supply and this is at about 60-80psi nominal, take the line off completely and you can empty your tank in under 3 minutes.

    as its a unit injected engine there is NO injector lines as each injector has its own cam driven pump and the spill port is electronically controled by the ECU on each injector. the spill port is fired by 85V at about an amp or 2 (I forget off the top of my head) it doesnt take much being wrong on the electrical control or fuel supply side of things for the engine to have a hissy.

    The spit of it is that its intermittant and hard to replicat reliabley and its not throwing any faults to log in the ECU to give a start point.. a mechanic could easily suspect a fault with a given componet based on his previous experience or wildest guess and not have the fault show up on a test drive and think it was fixed only to have it come back 3 days later. the number of things in the PM I sent off are just the things that a broad swing of the axe covers. you could have Interferance coming from a dying alternator componant that wont show up unless you test bench the alternator with a cro that can measure wave forms in the 1000th of a second intervals. Hell it could be as simple as some dust under the fixings of the ECU causing earth side spiking from vibration.

    Just to poop ya you could take it to 10 different specialist and they'd all have a component that they want to accuse and not one of them would be the same and not one of them would have to be correct. It'll drive you batty but If youd bought it back to me 3-5 times with the same fault and it was as intermittant as it is and so hard to replicate Id tell ya its time to suck it up, live with the annoyance while you wait for a permanant failure or a repetable fault, hope it doesnt strand you and bring it back when it does.

    I have a love hate relationship with intermitand faults, I hate them as most people dont understand or accept how hard they are to work and most wont want to pay the costs of doing the diagnosis. I do love the wealth of knowlodge on how subsystems interact when you finally get it right or the rich guys who drive something obscure that they want fixed properly and are willing to shell $$$ over by the wheelbarrow load to get it done and dont mind how long it takes... only ever had one of those so far tho.

    Best of luck with it.
    Dave

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    This seems like one mother of a problem you are experiencing. It makes for good reading!

    Not being all that familiar with the fuel injection layout, is there any way to connect a pressure gauge onto the fuel rail? If the problems are fuel related (by bubbles or the fuel pump playing up) you should notice some fuel pressure fluctuations.
    Stirling

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    yes there is but its not fun.
    Dave

    "In a Landrover the other vehicle is your crumple zone."

    For spelling call Rogets, for mechanicing call me.

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    Archaeoptersix 1990 6x6 dual cab(This things staying)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Psimpson7 View Post
    Lionel, When you say they changed the Throttle pedal and the loom, do you mean the full bulkhead loom? The throttle loom is an integral part of the main bulkhead loom.
    A good question! They said they had "replaced the wiring as well as the throttle pedal". I do know they needed the vehicle overnight, as they had to remove & replace a quarter panel as part of the job, so that implies a bit more than just the throttle pedal, I would think.

    The other things they said, was that they had experienced a few cases of "faulty connections" to the throttle pedal.

    All I can say is - thank God it was all under warranty!

    Cheers,

    Lionel

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