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Thread: O/T Holden 5ltr motor chip Help

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    mike 90 RR Guest

    O/T Holden 5ltr motor chip Help

    Wondering if someone could help

    Have a good friend across the road who is quite adventurous in fixing up rides ... The conversions that he has produced are quite amazing

    The current project is a

    Commodore VN 5ltr V8 auto
    He installed a ... Crane Cam "CCH286" and found out the hard way that it requires a Chip to run it

    The rest of the motor is bog standard with Dual Exhaust

    Can anyone help or advise with either a chip or a suitable ECU to run it

    Thanking you in advance

    Mike

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    Chiptorque here in perth are masters at 5ltr holden tuning

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    For best results get a custom chip written by someone who knows what they are doing.

    My old WB ute had a red motor with late heads and manifolds. Made 185 kw at the rear wheels with a single exhaust.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucus View Post
    Chiptorque here in perth are masters at 5ltr holden tuning
    Thanks Lucus ... Another place to try .. But I feel that they are gonna be exy

    Quote Originally Posted by BigJon View Post
    For best results get a custom chip written by someone who knows what they are doing.

    My old WB ute had a red motor with late heads and manifolds. Made 185 kw at the rear wheels with a single exhaust.
    And this involves hugh $$$ .... which he is trying to avoid

    His motor needed a freshen up ...as the lifters & cam chain needed replacing .... So heh ....lets chuck in a bigger cam to give it some oomph


    Cost him 200 odd dollars for the .... Crane Cam "CCH286"
    The oversite of this "chip install with Dyno tune" is being quoted as ... $990


    I have found a seller on Ebay with a chip ... to help make a good choice ... Can anyone advise on the below

    The word "Memcal" .... Is this what they call the dunnydore ECU??
    The Crane Cam "CCH286" .... Is this a "mild cam" or "half cam" ??
    The Crane Cam "CCH286" .... is it a "Stage 1" ... "Stage 2" ... "Stage 3" ??


    Mike

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    Teh memcal is the style of chip used in the early ecu's. Chiptorque where the pioneers in cracking these ECU's for tuning.

    I gotta wonder how you nieghbour stumbled into a cam change with out thinking about the engine managment side of things?

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    The memcal is the part inside the ECU which basically stores the settings for the engine. On the cover of the ECU you'll find one end which can be removed by undoing two screws, under that is a blue part clipped into the circuit board, that's the memcal. Disconnect the battery before you do!
    Also once you disconnect the battery or ECU on these, when you restart bring the rev's slowly past 2,000, the rev's will drop then go back up, this is the unit "learning" the fuel/idle/etc setting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucus View Post
    Teh memcal is the style of chip used in the early ecu's. Chiptorque where the pioneers in cracking these ECU's for tuning.

    I gotta wonder how you nieghbour stumbled into a cam change with out thinking about the engine managment side of things?
    He got the cam from a "General Auto parts store" ... They didn't know about a chip being required .... Didn't cross our mind, as he didn't think it was a dramatic change (it is obviously, now, that it is!!! )

    ... Figured that the motor would easily compensate for the cam via the O2 sensor

    The chip can be bought in Perth .... but is worth "3 times the price" of the cam ... and then it is $$$ for +fit + Dyno

    Quote Originally Posted by moose View Post
    The memcal is the part inside the ECU which basically stores the settings for the engine. On the cover of the ECU you'll find one end which can be removed by undoing two screws, under that is a blue part clipped into the circuit board, that's the memcal. Disconnect the battery before you do!
    Also once you disconnect the battery or ECU on these, when you restart bring the rev's slowly past 2,000, the rev's will drop then go back up, this is the unit "learning" the fuel/idle/etc setting.
    Big thanks for the above ....

    Any Ideas or comment on the .... what is a "Stage 1 / 2 / 3 "


    The reaction from the motor in it's current state ... is the following
    The Timing is all over the place .... swings from TDC to 20 degrees // Back to TDC constantly (hunting)
    The fuel injectors are on max flow (flooding)

    Mike

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    Silly mistake, if he's that tight to do it correctly, just refit a standard grind cam

    The is no shortcuts with correct tuning

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    Quote Originally Posted by rovercare View Post
    Silly mistake, if he's that tight to do it correctly, just refit a standard grind cam

    The is no shortcuts with correct tuning
    Your a hard man sometimes Matt

    Naa ... He's not being tight .... just looking for "options" on a unexpected 1k cost

    It's just a work ute that gets him to work & back .... Just wants it to run OK .. not looking for Max output potential

    Do you recon the 286 duration cam is a "stage 2"??
    How's that puppy treating you?

    Mike

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike 90 RR View Post
    Your a hard man sometimes Matt

    Naa ... He's not being tight .... just looking for "options" on a unexpected 1k cost

    It's just a work ute that gets him to work & back .... Just wants it to run OK .. not looking for Max output potential

    Do you recon the 286 duration cam is a "stage 2"??
    How's that puppy treating you?

    Mike

    Thanks

    The best...I think only.... option is to find a tuner with a dyno, that's talented with Delco EFI and get them to tune it, it will take a matter of a few hours at usually around $110-$150/hr and will achieve the best result

    Seems Lucus knows who's who over west

    The doggy is well, following me around

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