Thread: DIY oil change on a PUMA - Don't use just any old oil

The bill was $559.10 somewhat less than spudboy's quote of $730


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Hey guys,
just an update on current oil specs for the new MY2013 Defender, 2.2 L Puma:

New oil must be compliant with:
SAE 5W-30 & ACEA C1 & WSS-M2C-934-B (Ford)

Your options in S.A. are:
1) - Castrol Edge Professional C1 5W-30, supplied by Solitaire LR Service into your own container (or you buy 205 litre drum), quite an expensive option around $24 / 1 L,

2) - LiquiMoly TopTec 4500 / 5W-30, Autobarn's supplied 5 L bottle @ $100,

3) - FUCHS TITAN GT1 PRO C1 5W-30, Cavan Agricultural Agencies, $190/20 L carton of 5 x 4L bottles (you have to buy a carton)

All prices include GST.

I prefer Fuchs, excellent oil quality, very good service at Agencies, and good price.

No probs, any time.
Frank

I am a bit uneasy about upgrading to these hi tech engines (and maybe gearboxes), the costs for ordinary service items seem a little steep, and the cost of getting the oil spec wrong is frightening.

But the I had the same thoughts before buying the TD5

I suppose the price will drop when the current crop of engines are replaced by the next generation youbeaut 100kw/litre diesel engines in the future.

Good luck with those Pumas

Terry

Hi rover-56,
yeah it's a bit frustrating with all those Euro 4,5,... regs but I am sure that the future engines will come only like that. Regarding cost - if you can do it yourself, it's ok. Service is expensive - but that applies to all present day cars, .
So far my experience with that "little" Puma is really good and service seems to be very easy - UK parts are really cheap in comparison with most of the local pricing. Also, it is always possible to negotiate a bit with local guys, so a little shopping is always good.
I was lucky to obtain from good old internet the workshop manual for Puma models 2.4 L (same as 2.2 essentially - just different bore - almost 1300 pages...).
Regarding the new "hightech" oils - they are actually good, last very well - balance btw. life and cost is pretty comparable with more "traditional" engines and oils.
Now we are facing a sad fact that Defenders are at the end of their manufacturing life - accordingly to dealership, the orders for Oz are not taken in anymore (about 3 weeks old info) unless there are some existing leftovers. The Defender MY2015 shall come - we'll see how will it look. So far it was really ugly.
Regards
Frank

Originally Posted by Defender13

Hi rover-56,
yeah it's a bit frustrating with all those Euro 4,5,... regs but I am sure that the future engines will come only like that. Regarding cost - if you can do it yourself, it's ok. Service is expensive - but that applies to all present day cars, .
So far my experience with that "little" Puma is really good and service seems to be very easy - UK parts are really cheap in comparison with most of the local pricing. Also, it is always possible to negotiate a bit with local guys, so a little shopping is always good.
I was lucky to obtain from good old internet the workshop manual for Puma models 2.4 L (same as 2.2 essentially - just different bore - almost 1300 pages...).
Regarding the new "hightech" oils - they are actually good, last very well - balance btw. life and cost is pretty comparable with more "traditional" engines and oils.
Now we are facing a sad fact that Defenders are at the end of their manufacturing life - accordingly to dealership, the orders for Oz are not taken in anymore (about 3 weeks old info) unless there are some existing leftovers. The Defender MY2015 shall come - we'll see how will it look. So far it was really ugly.
Regards
Frank

All true, I remember the D2 TD5 seemed dealer dependent at first, but now after 10 years of ownership it is like a comfortable old pair of boots.

From what I read on here the Puma driving experience makes it all worthwhile.

Terry

Hi Terry,
yes 2.2L feels very good in Defender and seems to have a very good reputation around the world. Being the most sold engine with Ford Transits says a bit as well.
It is no racer but it just goes anywhere with ease - that's exactly what I want. Btw. I use it daily for work too and it's fine - I am for sure not the slowest in the lane .
Frank

I'm surprised the oil is so thin. For Australian heat and conditions I would have thought it be a little heavier. Has anybody had oil pressure issues when cruising in typical Australian heat.