Defenders on "Car Sales."

**manic** · 29th May 2016, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by Babs

On the contrary, SDV6 SE just under 80k, 200 Series GXL 82-83K.
I would hardly say a Defender is better than these two examples, rather a personal opinion.
There is nothing about the Defender that is better than these two examples except nostalgia.

the defender is better in some ways:
Better for modification, better for panel replacement, better approach and departure angles, lighter, better load carrying capacity, better interior tolerance to dirt, a customisable choice of wheelbases makes it better for many working applications.

My personal opinion:
Better looking, better history, better class, better offroad 4x4

It's not nostalgia. It's the lure of the defender.

Babs · 29th May 2016, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by MrLandy

What's $15-20K between friends? How I think Defender is better: Bigger chassis Better clearance Better suspension/wheel articulation More useable space Better fuel economy Better seating position Hose out / no carpet / pragmatic Easier to bolt accessories on Standard 16 X 6.5" tubeless wheels Designed for the bush in original spec 1 tonne load capacity Iconic design Individual character Resale value Unmatched Camaraderie Nostalgia has nothing to do with it. Infact it's JLR designers thinking that nostalgia is the most important thing going for Defender that will result in the new model Defender being a poor design.

Ha ha ha 😀 don't get me started, I could contradict most points on that list, then triple the list for the Cons. Albeit I drive one and yes they are special in their own way.

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MrLandy · 29th May 2016, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by Babs

Ha ha ha 😀 don't get me started, I could contradict most points on that list, then triple the list for the Cons. Albeit I drive one and yes they are special in their own way.

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you could try....but then we'd just go in circles because the pros outweigh the cons by far I reckon

**Plutei** · 30th May 2016, 12:27 AM

Pro's and cons, it's all outweighed by the feeling of driving one.

Except one bloody rattle that drives me nuts

Tombie · 30th May 2016, 07:20 AM

Originally Posted by MrLandy

What's $15-20K between friends?

How I think Defender is better:

Bigger chassis

Better clearance

Better suspension/wheel articulation

More useable space

Better fuel economy

Better seating position

Hose out / no carpet / pragmatic

Easier to bolt accessories on

Standard 16 X 6.5" tubeless wheels

Designed for the bush in original spec

1 tonne load capacity

Iconic design

Individual character

Resale value

Unmatched Camaraderie

Nostalgia has nothing to do with it.

Infact it's JLR designers thinking that nostalgia is the most important thing going for Defender that will result in the new model Defender being a poor design.

Strange...
If comparing in stock form the D4 has better articulation.
A D4 has a stronger chassis/body frame combo
A D4 has Better fuel economy
A D4 has a better seating position
A D4 has better useable space - try getting a fridge sized box through the back of a Defender

A Defender has 16 x 7

Designed by a poor (at the time) company desperate to save itself using what it had lying around

Both are individual in design

Other than that, it comes down to what you like

Babs · 30th May 2016, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by Tombie

Strange... If comparing in stock form the D4 has better articulation. A D4 has a stronger chassis/body frame combo A D4 has Better fuel economy A D4 has a better seating position A D4 has better useable space - try getting a fridge sized box through the back of a Defender A Defender has 16 x 7

Designed by a poor (at the time) company desperate to save itself using
what it had lying around Both are individual in design Other than that, it comes down to what you like

Thanks Tombie, just what I meant when I said don't get me started, I just couldn't have been bothered with writing out all the bad points of a Defender and all the Pro's of a D4 and 200 Series.

It's definitely not the refinement of a Defender as to why we drive them ha ha ha 😀

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Tombie · 30th May 2016, 08:47 AM

True. But nothing wrong with either. That's why we have a set

MrLandy · 30th May 2016, 10:45 AM

Yep as I said, we can go around in circles all day, because it's horses for courses, differing priorities, differing budgets, differing needs, differing experiences.

Vive la differance!

But Defender is better

and was always under priced (thank goodness, because it's not now!).

cafe latte · 30th May 2016, 11:30 AM

I liked the Disco when I sat in it at the dealers, but I cant imagine churning through muddy paddocks and climbing into it covered in mud. The defender though is made to be hosed out..
I also like the simplicity of the Defender, the star trek like dash on the Disco is great, but just how many gremlins down the track are waiting to bite you on the butt when the car is a bit older?
Then there is mechanical's, if the motor ever needs removing on the Disco is is serious stuff, not so on the Defender. How much does it cost to refurb the suspension on the Disco? Scary money!!! Disco is a great car, but you dont want to break anything out of warranty..
Chris

**manic** · 30th May 2016, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by Tombie

Strange...
If comparing in stock form the D4 has better articulation.

A D4 has a stronger chassis/body frame combo
A D4 has Better fuel economy
A D4 has a better seating position
A D4 has better useable space - try getting a fridge sized box through the back of a Defender

What's the point of stronger chassis/frame combo if you can't load anything onto it. With defender you can look at 90,110,130 chassis and body options for something suitable. Sure the frame/body makes the d4 better for crashing but the defender has hit cool status and ancap ratings is not a cool way to decide on a vehicle. I don't like that it's become 'cool' but it's certainly contributing to the price hike. D4 is a family car that is exciting compared to a ford focus but utterly boring when compared to a defender.

D4 does not articulate well, it crosses obstacles like a plank in comparison to defender. Which I'll admit seems to work well. The front wheel travel is virtually non existent. Defender articulation can by far exceed a d4. The modifications and possibilities are what makes the defender so much more interesting, the potential to be much more capable and now that it's exclusive , a lot more desirable.

Better seating position, subjective. I love the defender position but then I'm not huge like Odo (Ol d door!). My girlfriend can't drive it though because there is not enough seat and steering wheel adjustment for a hobbit. Like a fighter jet, you gotta be in the right size bracket to pilot a defender

So to surmise, d4 has better driving position for huge/rotund/midget people which is great for sales. I jest! 😂 Note to self: less burgers.

Not better usable space. Consider a 130 tray back. Consider a d4 has a tiny rear load space and 75kg roof rack limit.

Fuel economy... the defender has always been good at that compared to other 4x4s. Especially considering its got the aerodynamics of a brick. Its not an issue for defender sales.

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