A BR should play in all BR playersOriginally Posted by manic
Poor quality BR players dont work as well as better units....
I've seen Samsung, LG, HTC and Windows Phones all go weak at the knees when connected to a Win system....
Actually several steps behind - and for years.....Thunderbolt will not make it off apple devices, same way firewire failed to make much impact outside the mac sphere. USB 2-3 , eSATA were always a step ahead.
Macs have had Firewire and USB both for years....
Firewire was also used by Sony and Texas instruments and is still widely used in film and audio industries for connectivity and control.
HDMI came and swept DVI / Optical under the rug too....
VHS slayed Beta for a video format - Beta was / is superior in every aspect.
But the masses went VHS...
Doesnt make it better - just means the masses are like sheep....
Considering "dumbed" isnt even a word that statement is ironic...Apple has done some great work to get people onto new tech but for the most part it is dumbed down techno glitter. If everything in your house is apple and you cant wait for the next apple gizmo then you have been consumed and are blinded by the white.
But what do you base this comment on? Most powerful OS, Strong architecture, sleek design integration... And easy to use...
Looking at a modern vehicle - Just a "dumbed" down Model T really...
No crank starter... Easy to use steering wheel controls...
Sat nav (remember street directories and paper maps)
Cant wait for the next LR either - blinded by Green? I dont just buy things if they're crap regardless who makes them....
I did buy a Win phone and a Galaxy SIII based on the 'fan boys' and they turned out to be rubbish....
You say I live in a sea of white - most PC owners live in a sea of despair
I still have several PCs, Laptops and routers, switches, modems at home...
Most just arent used... They arent as practical.
The ATV is Black, the router and time campsule are under a shelf out of sight, and the iMac sits neatly on a table, with only 1 ugly power cord hanging out its back....
No loud roaring fans, multiple cables, boxes everywhere... Just a clean sleek unit doing everything including gaming at decent frame rates...
Or I could buy a Mac tower
Pity the industry begs to differ with you on this one.....Compare all the Iphone releases to the competition at the time and the Iphone 5 is easily apples worst release in the series.
Wizard
NFC was a BIG ommision... I'm not saying the current iPhone5 is a bad phone, just that it is not as impressive as previous releases. The cut off of flash support, and pusing people off google maps was too soon. NFC is taking off, whens the iPhone 6 coming out?
Wizard
it was selected for that purpose, well done
My post was a bit of flame bait but I couldnt help myself. We will agree to disagree... I work with PC's and MACs and have more issues getting MACs to behave. But then I use IOS alot less so that is more than likely a factor.
Having the full MAC ensemble is not economical, and not the smartest way to ride the technology wave. Simple fact.
The whole MAC vs Windows thing is not what I'm on about here.. I use Unix variants, windows, IOS . Its not even mac vs PC because as you say Apple source their tech from the same hardware developers as other computer manufacturers. A personal computer is a personal computer whatever the branding/software it presents/runs.
I have completly silent computers, reliable computers and hardware that does not bear an Apple logo. There is a huge amount of choice outside of Apple and there is technology that will be on the next apple realease available now. You can have it first, cheaper and upgrade it for longer if you build you own systems, mix and match without brand loyalty.
I dont agree with Microsoft's grab on software and the PC market but I'm starting to think Apple are even worse when it comes to locking people into using their software products. We have seen Microsoft taken to court for anti-competitive practices with software bundeling , I'm suprised Apple has not.
Anyway I digress.. I like to tinker with things, theres potential for greater rewards - this is why I enjoy my old land rover and it's why I am not interested in pre-configured, over priced, overly-protective, out of the pretty box Apples.
If all you want is for something to be easy to use, reliable, and do whats advertised - YAWN... join the masses and surf the net on your apple and drive your lexus.
* damn its 2am on a Fri night and I'm back at my computer acting like I give a ****... pfft what has become of me. *OUT*
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In regard to NFC - totally disagree....there are some very good reasons why Apple didn't "do a Samsung" and copy this "feature" at this point in time....
http://arstechnica.com/security/2012...artphone-hack/
I'm happy to wait for Apple's secure system....
http://www.hindustantimes.com/techno...e1-940099.aspx
.....and will perhaps remind you when Android clone it somewhere down the line. Apple do own several key patents for NFC technology.
Still, the iPhone 5 has the real world advantages listed in my previous reply that make it the market leader but you maintain it to be the worst iPhone release in comparison to it's competitors!
PS - I DO have Google maps on my iPhone 5 (see attached screen capture) - just to demonstrate how easy it is to do so - still.
And it's interesting to use both and make comparisons. So I've used the new map app - have you?
I like the new maps app and have not been sent to any paddocks by it as yet. In fact, it has proven to be more functional in my experience.... An example...if I navigate from work to home via Google maps, I get sent down a road that has been impossible to turn into for the last 5 years. Using Apple Maps - sends me the right way. Mapping software needs to be used in order to improve and even Apple need to start somewhere.
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the locked into apple argument amuses the crap out of me
any os has it's own set of constraints effectively locking you in per see
having just moved from an iPhone to a Samsung I have gotten to see both sides in the last week
hardware wise both have pros and cons
the software interface to the phones is where things are world's apart imho
I hate iTunes but it is magical compared to the android offerings
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It’s not about copying Samsung, it’s about big industry, banks and transport systems the world over already making use of NFC. When I went over to the UK in the summer people were already using NFC to tap in payments.
And as for security the Iphone5 has already been hacked.. most smart phones are easily hacked - unfortunately the user will always be a liability.
Iphone 5 hacked -> Apple iPhone 5 Operating System Already Hacked | TechNewsDaily.com
Ok you wait for apple to guide you into iPayments
Its status as market leader has been brought into question with the iPhone 5 so .. YES.
The point is, google maps is very good and what Apple have done is release their own version which is undeniably worse. Whether it gets to be better than Google Maps or not this is a big win for Google and they have won it on the Iphone launch which is great for Android. Big egg in the face for Apple.
Wizard
Constraints yes and perhaps locked in is not the best way to put. Funny you should mention iTunes as that is a prime example of the kind of practice that turns me off Apple products. Last time I had an Ipod I was forced to use Itunes to manage my audio.. that annoyed the hell out of me. Itunes worked like crap on the PC and I'm convinced they intentionally made the PC version buggy.
You will find that with almost any other non apple mp3 or smart phone device you can choose from a whole host of audio player/management software and even just HDD drag and drops. Perhaps that has improved on more recent apple devices but its a good example of how they are constantly trying to ring you into using their software suite and hardware.
If you have an ipod its better to have one with a macbook and better to connect that to a mac airport, and sync to an iphone. You end up with the whole mac package just to get all the features working properly.
And then when you take your device to a friends house or a party you find you cannot plug your device into the sound system because you didnt bring the adapter for the audio connection, you did not bring your charger and cannot use the multitude of usb connectors that all other phones use , and you cannot transfer your files to a computer that does not have iTunes.
Volumetric Genius
"It’s not about copying Samsung, it’s about big industry, banks and transport systems the world over already making use of NFC. When I went over to the UK in the summer people were already using NFC to tap in payments."
Answer - No, it's about the fundamental flaws in the tech right now. They exist.
"And as for security the Iphone5 has already been hacked.. most smart phones are easily hacked - unfortunately the user will always be a liability."
Answer - I didn't say the iPhone hasn't been or couldn't be hacked...you're changing the topic....we're talking about NFC, a hacker's paradise, a nascent tech that you suggest Apple should have embraced yesterday.
"Ok you wait for apple to guide you into iPayments"
......???? As opposed to being guided by other companies into their technologies...see Inc's comments above in relation to this odd argument.
"Its status as market leader has been brought into question with the iPhone 5 so .. YES."
Answer - the 3 key points (with supporting articles) I provide say otherwise.
"The point is, google maps is very good and what Apple have done is release their own version which is undeniably worse. Whether it gets to be better than Google Maps or not this is a big win for Google and they have won it on the Iphone launch which is great for Android. Big egg in the face for Apple."
Answer - No, rather, the point is this ; new mapping software needs to be both released and used by people in the real world to improve. A secondary point is this - you can still use GM if you wish.
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but acknowledged as a better first effort than googles
the fact is depite the bleating about being locked in to applemania you can install google maps if you so desire and use that app if you consider it superior.
you can unlock an iphone in the same amount of time it takes to root an andriod phone.
as for flash...
it is an acknowledged hazard that most can get by without. unless of course you spend much of your time on the likes of redtube
but from a developers point of view and i quote
yawnCurrent Flash sites could never be made work well on any touchscreen device, and this cannot be solved by Apple, Adobe, Andriod, Google or magical new hardware.
That’s not because of slow mobile performance, battery drain or crashes. It’s because of the hover or mouseover problem.
Many (if not most) current Flash games, menus, and even video players require a visible mouse pointer. They are coded to rely on the difference between hovering over something (mouseover) vs. actually clicking. This distinction is not rare. It’s pervasive, fundamental to interactive design, and vital to the basic use of Flash content. New Flash content designed just for touchscreens can be done, but people want existing Flash sites to work. All of them—not just some here and there—and in a usable manner. That’s impossible no matter what.
All that Apple and Adobe could ever do is make current Flash content visible. It would be seen, but very often would not work. Users would hate that broken promise much more than they hate gaps in pages, missing banner ads, and the need to download a game once from the App Store instead of re-downloading it every time they visit a Flash game page.
Mouseover examples:
* Video players where the controls appear on mouseover and hide otherwise. (This seems to be the norm, in fact. Whereas a click on the same video does something different: usually Pause. Try Hulu for instance.)
* Games where you steer with the mouse without clicking (extremely common).
* Menus that popup up subpage links when you mouse over a main button, vs. going directly to a main category page when you click.
* Buttons that have important explanations/summaries on mouseover, which you need to understand before deciding what to click.
* Functions that use mouseover to preview and click to commit; such as choosing hair colors for an avatar: you mouse over the colors until your character looks the way you like, and then you click to commit.
* Maps and diagrams that don’t use click at all, but pop up info as you mouse around.
* Numerous other custom mouseover functions that “just work” with a mouse and need no explanation.
None of these things can work right with a finger (or traditional stylus) because on a touchscreen, pointing at something without clicking isn’t a mouseover: it’s just holding your finger vaguely in the air. The device doesn’t even know it’s happening.
and there are plenty of ipod and iphone managers around tho you do need to install itunes to get the interface drivers, but you dont have to use it.
linux even does it without issues
back to my s3 .....
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Wizard
NFC is fast becoming an industry standard for contactless payments it isnt going anywhere any time soon. How am I changing the topic by bringing up iPhone 5 security flaws? If the iPhone 5 can be hacked without NFC is that not a concern to you? NFC venerabilitys will be ironed out same as the iPhone 5.
No the point is the phone was released with an inferior product and a lot of people are relieved that GM is still available. Thats a google win and an apple fail.Answer - No, the point is, new mapping software needs to be both released and used by people in the real world to improve. A secondary point is this - you can still use GM if you wish.
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