Now that they have priced themselves to be a proven off roader with an established service and parts network.... I'm quite happy to sit back and wait until both of those things are true. [bigwhistle]
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Now that they have priced themselves to be a proven off roader with an established service and parts network.... I'm quite happy to sit back and wait until both of those things are true. [bigwhistle]
For that to be truly meaningful all vehicles should have been standard and have been wheeled by one independent driver. The various "extras" and tyre upgrades made the comparisons pointless imo. True, the Trialmaster would be the Gren of choice for off roaders. The Toyota sway bar disconnect would be a must tick option. Etc. The Defender was probably the closest to "out of the box" spec of all of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by scarry
All that said, it was interesting. Anyone else notice the number plate games? Or did I imagine that?
When he asked up front "which one do we think will win" I mentally answered "The defender if everything stays working".Quote:
Originally Posted by Tins
I was impressed at the Toyota Brake Traction Control. They were pretty rubbish at those systems but looks like they've been busy. The Grenadier BTC seemed very slow. You'd definitely want the lockers.
The 300 was 'out of the box",standard GR.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tins
Defender could have been optioned up.Apparently it had the E diff,i don't know if that is an option anymore?
I don't think the same driver would make any difference, tyres could,but they all ran AT's,so no huge difference there.
The drivers all had to follow the same lines.
Defender had the E diff,the Tojo had only BTC,and did it just as easily.Having better wheel travel is a huge advantage in that type of test run.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot
The LC200 also has a brilliant BTC system,and the "Crawl Control" is fantastic.In fact Robbert Pepper has a vid where he couldn't drive a very rough incline,but crawl control did it.
Part two will be interesting.
I was surprised with the slowness of the Grenadiers TC to react. It would have done a lot better if thr TC had cut in earlier like all the others, the best of which IMHO was the Toyota.
I suspect if you had a Grenadier without diff locks who had to rely on the BTC I suspect you'd want to be pretty circumspect in those sort of conditions. I don't think that's acceptable for that ilk of car.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xtreme
It was no surprise to me about the grenadier TC as I was lucky enough to test drive a prototype late last year , the unit I drove had no tc or locking front or rear diffs and probablty out performed most other similar vehicles that had open diffs and no tc , when I asked the ineos bloke about it he said that this paticular prototype was not testing either but the production models would have limited tc as to keep the electronics required to a minium . A bit of a guess here but I think that stability control is a legal requirment and the tc is just a spin off of the stability control . There seemed to be a policy to keep electronics out of the drive train as much as posible and just go with the locking diffs .
GR is hardly "stock" as I meant it. It's only about $40K above the base GX.Quote:
Originally Posted by scarry
The Landcruiser GX is followed in the 300 Series line-up by the GXL, VX, Sahara, GR Sport, and finally, the Sahara ZX.
Don't think the GX gets the e-KDSS system.
Only GR has E KDSS,and dual diff locks,and a whole lot of different ride settings,etc,etc,etc,for those that want all the fancy stuff,all no cost options.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tins
All models have the same BTC.
As i said,Defender in test had Ediff,which from the LR site appears to be an additional cost option,may have also had other options,such as TR2,but we don't know.
So definitely not "stock".How much the Defender cost above the base model,unknown,and irrelevant.
Might find out more in Part 2.[smilebigeye]