Ineos Grenadier, do you reckon it'll take off?

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Originally Posted by 354 chamberlain

It was no surprise to me about the grenadier TC as I was lucky enough to test drive a prototype late last year , the unit I drove had no tc or locking front or rear diffs and probablty out performed most other similar vehicles that had open diffs and no tc , when I asked the ineos bloke about it he said that this paticular prototype was not testing either but the production models would have limited tc as to keep the electronics required to a minium . A bit of a guess here but I think that stability control is a legal requirment and the tc is just a spin off of the stability control . There seemed to be a policy to keep electronics out of the drive train as much as posible and just go with the locking diffs .

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If you've got ABS then everything required for traction control is present. How well it works is totally dependent on calibration. Having well or poorly calibrated TC makes no difference to the amount/complexity of electronics.

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Originally Posted by scarry

Only GR has E KDSS,and dual diff locks,and a whole lot of different ride settings,etc,etc,etc,for those that want all the fancy stuff,all no cost options.

All models have the same BTC.

As i said,Defender in test had Ediff,which from the LR site appears to be an additional cost option,may have also had other options,such as TR2,but we don't know.
So definitely not "stock".How much the Defender cost above the base model,unknown,and irrelevant.

Might find out more in Part 2.[smilebigeye]

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Kinda my point, Paul. The test was flawed as the playing field was not level. Also, saying the e-KDSS is a "no cost option" is only accurate if you have paid the $40+ K premium over the GX.

As Robert, who has my respect, said; the test was not about value for money. Therefore base models with factory wheel/tyre fitments would have made more sense. I appreciate that he does not have the resources to do this.

As I said, it was interesting, but in no way representative.

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Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

If you've got ABS then everything required for traction control is present. How well it works is totally dependent on calibration. Having well or poorly calibrated TC makes no difference to the amount/complexity of electronics.

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Correct,it is calibration and software.

FWIW,on some vehicles it is less savage due to driveline design,and to help reduce driveline stress.

Same as some 4WD vehicles with rear diff locks,when activated,they will drop off BTC,for driveline preservation.So the front then acts as an open diff.

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Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

If you've got ABS then everything required for traction control is present. How well it works is totally dependent on calibration. Having well or poorly calibrated TC makes no difference to the amount/complexity of electronics.

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As I said the reason for the limited response was only a guess by me however it is intentional on Ineos part , that was clearly stated at the test drive .

One of the inherent problems with a group test is in the vehicles themselves. This is not the person setting up the test as they will have worked hard to obtain one of each available at the same time. The demo fleet is limited and you have to work to obtain one and then bringing them all together on the one day at the same place is best described as difficult. You are then subject to what is on the demo fleet at the time. The manufacturers will decide this and you have to work with that. They due to their own operational requirements on the day can send a different vehicle to the one you thought you were going to get. So have exactly comparable vehicles is not really likely to happen unless you can find owners of vehicles who are willing to allow you to do to their pride and joy what motoring journalists do. Have seen new vehicles returned in what you could call less than pristine condition from a driving course that beginners use without serious problems. The best they can do is call out the differences in spec and how that may have impacted their performance relative to others in the test

My takeaway is that they all made the grade. Each in a different way with different mechanical solutions. I'd be happy to convoy with any of them. That said, nothing looks better than good solid axle articulation.

Saw my first one on the road yesterday.

https://youtu.be/f2lJxGDtxIw'si=lXFYztcWuesI_pW2

Enjoyable and informative. Does the INEOS have a pull out filler neck like the series Land Rover?

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Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

Saw my first one on the road yesterday.

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Saw a silver one today.
Somehow I don’t think they could have made it more ugly,just my thoughts.