Thread: Air Malaysia missing.

Originally Posted by JDNSW

I suppose it is possible - but very unlikely that the "in flight" would continue more than a few more minutes after such an event, as loss of this surface would result in one wing lifting more than the other, probably beyond the control capability of the remaining wing control surfaces. (So there would be loss of roll control, followed almost certainly by uncommanded manoeuvres which resulted in wing and control surface loading exceeding design figures and subsequent structural failure)


John

something like that happened to one of my R/C experiments when a control surface let go (flutter) , Well thats what onsite ATSB determined anyway, [ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-LRNw4wPKI[/ame]

I seem to recall an (expert) on vapour trails saying that he could find the missing flight if he had access to the satellite images of that day and the funding to do the research. He may have been a shonk. I don't know, but it seemed like a good idea to me. In any event I think he was disregarded by the Authorities. Has anyone else heard of this and how likely is his idea to succeed?

• Wasn't it night when the plane went missing?
• It would depend upon whether there were satellites with high enough resolution were tasked to be pointing at the bare Indian Ocean at the time.
• Don't you think the authorities and the people who owned the satellites would have done that already?

Yes I would. I know in the Marine world when some (expert) clown is frothing at the mouth, but I'm at a loss when it comes to aviation.

Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

• Don't you think the authorities and the people who owned the satellites would have done that already?

I happen to know the goverment is the worst of them all when it comes to using the skills of people they have at hand. I've watched industrial fires get well out of hand and need weeks and weeks of clean up. I've sat next to people with the skills and experice that have given solutions that made perfect sense to me (Unskilled in this area) but just been ignored by bosses because they didn't work in that particular area.

It'd be like a guy with 30 years experience fixing Land Rovers get a job as a cleaner in a Stealer Ship. An older Land Rover comes in with a problem but the Mechs can't work it out. The old guy know the problem and the fix but the Service Manager fails to listen becasue he is just the cleaner.

It used to frustrate me because I do some interesting things out of work that would blow the mind of some of the guys in a particular area at work but they didn't wont to know about me. Now I just look at them and laugh at the idiots. They'll tell you "Oh we did this and this happen" I just go "Oh really, maybe becasue of this". They get shocked that I know and then want to know how I know that. I just walk off sort of anoyed getting taken for granted but stocked I'm not one of them at the same time.

Happy Days

I'm not usually one to buy into conspirency theorys and the like but this sounds pretty legit.

I actually believe someone knows where the plane crashed. Maybe not what happened for it to crash but at least where it went down.

I believe that that organisation, goverment or whatever just isn't telling as to be releasing that information would raise the question of how do they know that.

I think humans make amazing acomplishments but we could do so much more if we could work together but that's just not in our nature.

"Whoops John's sausages are buring on his BBQ". "Oh don't yell out and tell him because then he might wonder why we were looking in his back yard"

Happy Days

Joel, those two posts back up everything I know about people, business, corporations, and governments - you are right on the money there.

Originally Posted by joel0407

I've sat next to people with the skills and experice that have given solutions that made perfect sense to me (Unskilled in this area) but just been ignored by bosses because they didn't work in that particular area.

Back in 2003, I was working as a trainee signaller with the railways having taken redundancy after 37 years in international telecoms. I'd done a lot more than just being a technician in that time.

One day, at the signal box where I was working, there was some work being planned and was being discussed by the area manager and planners. During the discussion, I made a suggestion based on my knowledge and the fact I'd have to use the equipment.

The manager who was an ex-fettler, turned to me and said "What would you know?" My advice was ignored and the install was, umm, less than desired.