Thread: Law & Order is STUFFED.

Originally Posted by bob10

Thanks mate.I don't have the answer, not smart enough. One has to be found. Somewhere between bash the **** out of them, and nurture the poor little darlings. We forget they are human beings, push the human too far, you get a result no one wants. How on earth do we think how terrorism started.

Terrorism started when one person decided their imaginary friend was better than someone else's imaginary friend..

Then when person A decided the stories of imaginary friend A should be the same stories spoken by Person B, who should forget about imaginary friend B - that's when terrorism started.

The crusades - terrorism.
witch hunts - terrorism
Execution of Knights Templar
And
On
And
On
Through
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Goes

Originally Posted by Railey

What about making the parents more accountable? They are staring to do that in some places in USA....

Quite right, they should be made accountable for their "lack of actions". I've got no idea how to overcome that, as I would suspect most of kids parents just wouldn't care. From what I can understand, many are grog or drug affected themselves. I guess others are a case of maybe not being there,, out working perhaps, and of course, not everyone has a will strong enough to cope with strong willed kids.

Can you tell me how they are dealing with it in the USA please Kerry?

I'm going to disagree with some of the comments about farms etc having worked inside the system. The problem isn't locking them up, the problem is letting them out continually.

How do you mean exactly, as in letting them out continually.

The farm I watched on the documentary, they actually lived there, so they weren't being "let out as such". Just to clarify, these guys were I guess what you'd call, low level crims, and not what one would call hardened at all. They seemed to have more attitude problems, problems with discipline etc, which was leading them to crime and related issues.

I've spent nearly three hours today trying to find the program I watched, but alas, could not. It was a small series from memory.

Originally Posted by Chops

How do you mean exactly, as in letting them out continually.

The farm I watched on the documentary, they actually lived there, so they weren't being "let out as such". Just to clarify, these guys were I guess what you'd call, low level crims, and not what one would call hardened at all. They seemed to have more attitude problems, problems with discipline etc, which was leading them to crime and related issues.

I've spent nearly three hours today trying to find the program I watched, but alas, could not. It was a small series from memory.

I'm talking about the revolving door of the justice system. We used to joke that we shouldn't have a gate but a revolving door.

They have work camps here in WA and they do things like build campsites for DPAW. Some of the names I've seen in guest books made a joke of the whole program.

Originally Posted by Tombie

Terrorism started when one person decided their imaginary friend was better than someone else's imaginary friend..

Then when person A decided the stories of imaginary friend A should be the same stories spoken by Person B, who should forget about imaginary friend B - that's when terrorism started.

The crusades - terrorism.
witch hunts - terrorism
Execution of Knights Templar
And
On
And
On
Through
Time
It
Goes

Tribalism is the cause of terrorism. Imaginary friends are one of the tools used to raise and unite fighters.

Yeah, fair call, I can see where your coming from.

My hope would be that they would deal with troublesome kids early enough that they wouldn't be back. I fear if they haven't been reformed by the time they're 15/6, there's probably not much hope of doing so.
I've really got no idea whats a good line to take, but having been reminded of the farms, I remember thinking at the time, it looked the goods. No doubt they don't succeed 100% of the time, but if children were seen to at a younger age, perhaps it could be a better outcome.
Hardened older crims that are/were on the gangs programs you refer to, I doubt the farm programs would work for them at all.

Originally Posted by Chops

Yeah, fair call, I can see where your coming from.

My hope would be that they would deal with troublesome kids early enough that they wouldn't be back. I fear if they haven't been reformed by the time they're 15/6, there's probably not much hope of doing so.
I've really got no idea whats a good line to take, but having been reminded of the farms, I remember thinking at the time, it looked the goods. No doubt they don't succeed 100% of the time, but if children were seen to at a younger age, perhaps it could be a better outcome.
Hardened older crims that are/were on the gangs programs you refer to, I doubt the farm programs would work for them at all.

Unfortunately for a lot of the kids its the family business. I worked with adults but we'd get the graduates from the juvenile system and occassionally we'd get 16 year olds because the juvenile system couldn't cope with them. It wasn't uncommon for fathers to be in jail and have their kids join them. That's all they know and no amount of reform is going to fix that because at the end of the day when they have finished a program as a kid they get sent back to their families and so the cycle continues.

To not send them back to their families is to create another stolen generation of kids of criminals of all cultures.