Thread: Holden - how long before the end?

You must have the only LS1 I’ve ever heard of that was that frugal... especially towing.

And yes, they’re ego engines... the V6 makes more power and torque than the old GTSR did.. we’ve just kept the V8 thing - it’s a caveman feeling...

I admitted I’ve had V8s. And they were fun, and they sounded “cool”... I’m just saying there is no need for them, just a want

Originally Posted by Tombie

You must have the only LS1 I’ve ever heard of that was that frugal... especially towing.

And yes, they’re ego engines... the V6 makes more power and torque than the old GTSR did.. we’ve just kept the V8 thing - it’s a caveman feeling...

I admitted I’ve had V8s. And they were fun, and they sounded “cool”... I’m just saying there is no need for them, just a want

It`s not new nor uncommon for ls1`s being frugal on fuel .
I have seen a lot running sub 10`s hell even the injected 5 lt`s on a trip would do the same .
Drive them hard and it was a totally different world .
You might as well start comparing t model ford`s to the Barra engine
You should not compare the old GTSR to the latter v6`s totally different technology horse`s for course`s .
And im not a fan of the push rod ls motor`s but they do perform well for what they are

Globalisation means that a lot of manufacturing goes to countries with low wages, that are non unionised, and less safe.

Its good for big business. It can be good for consumers.

Is it overall good for developed economies?

LS1 is awesome.
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Originally Posted by SPROVER

What if you have a RRS supercharged. What does that make them? An ego stroked toorak tractor, soccer mum, driving Latte drinker.

Spot on.

Originally Posted by rangieman

Each to their own but i was in the frying pan so pretty much no exactly what was going on .
Yes GM Detroit had the say at the end of the day but it is not what you are referring to sorry to say

All good, I stick with what I said, and that is, that is that Detroit always had a say, but for the last 10 years or so after Peter left, they basically set the direction.
HOWEVER, I was NOT "in the frying pan" so to speak, I was close, but maybe, I was "on the stove" relative to where you were, so if you think you know what, in your mind, REALLY went on, then I know I, & possibly other contributors to this thread, would love to be enlightened. So please, if you disagree, I'd love to know your version.
Pickles.

Originally Posted by Tombie

You must have the only LS1 I’ve ever heard of that was that frugal... especially towing.

And yes, they’re ego engines... the V6 makes more power and torque than the old GTSR did.. we’ve just kept the V8 thing - it’s a caveman feeling...

I admitted I’ve had V8s. And they were fun, and they sounded “cool”... I’m just saying there is no need for them, just a want

Don't think thats the case at all.

Some like to have them,for many reasons,maybe its just what they want.

Have a look at the V8 sales in the commodore range for the last couple of years,heaps.

I have had them as well,definitely no cave man feeling.

Cant see people with D4 V8 or RRS,RR V8,TDv8,Y62 having a cave man feeling.

The petrol V8 are way simpler than some supercharged or turbo V6.

Some like older tech,and simplicity rather than complication.

That SS 5litre i had did under 10l/100 on a highway run no problems at all.No worse than my D4.
Around town 14L/100,D4 does around 12.5l/100 at best.

But fuel usage isn't everything.

Anyway,just my 2 cents worth

Originally Posted by scarry

Don't think thats the case at all.

Some like to have them,for many reasons,maybe its just what they want.

Have a look at the V8 sales in the commodore range for the last couple of years,heaps.

I have had them as well,definitely no cave man feeling.

Cant see people with D4 V8 or RRS,RR V8,TDv8,Y62 having a cave man feeling.

The petrol V8 are way simpler than some supercharged or turbo V6.

Some like older tech,and simplicity rather than complication.

That SS 5litre i had did under 10l/100 on a highway run no problems at all.No worse than my D4.
Around town 14L/100,D4 does around 12.5l/100 at best.

But fuel usage isn't everything.

Anyway,just my 2 cents worth

Agree.
Of course everyone doesn't want or need a V8, just as most people don't want or need a LandRover, but both excellent for people that make that choice, because, as you say, that's what they want.
I think the "LS" range of engines are brilliant, had a 5.7L LS1 & a 6L LS2 in the past, prior to which we had several "Holden" V8s. We have now got a vehicle powered by the 435KW S.C. LSA, and it is definitely one of the most enjoyable engines I've experienced. So docile, lazy, it'll idle along all day, but when ya want to "put the pedal to the metal", it's still good, in a different way!
You're also spot on with your comment with respect to V8 Commodore sales, particularly after they dropped the LS3 in it!
Pickles.