Thread: GM to sell Holden

Originally Posted by pop058

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disgracefully bad or unpleasant.
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synonyms: very bad, poor, dreadful, awful, terrible, frightful, disgraceful, shameful, lamentable, deplorable, appalling, atrocious;

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Maybe ‘diabolical’ wasn’t harsh enough - Holden and the Commodore is all of that and more...

and their management are Saturn V quality bull**** artists.
and have been 2013,,

Die Holden Die.

i have to agree. holden is dead. killed off by GM

Originally Posted by Homestar

No, it - and Holden deserve EVERYTHING they got and are getting on this for so many different reasons. From offering to sell ‘new’ 18 month old cars to ripping the public off to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars, there isn’t anything that can or should redeem Holden and GM for what they have done - I hope they rot for it...

ANYONE who would even consider buying this car would need their head examined as it would bite them in so many different ways - get an old car for new price, massive depreciation, lemon, ****ty warranty, Holden customer ‘service’ - the list goes on. No idea why anyone would even contemplate buying or defending this car or the brand - they suck the sweat off a dead mans balls...

Holden is dead to me (and I’m a Holden man). The sooner the brand dies and is buried the better, then we can just look back on all the good stuff they did and not have to worry about this sad, sorry part of their history.

Can I be any clearer here? 😉

You are entitled to your opinion, as I am to mine.
What Holden has "done" is a very long story, and has probably been discussed in C.A. Holden was the last manufacturer to vacate Aussie, and they continued to manufacture here after everybody else, until it was impossible for them to continue.
"Holden", itself, didn't do anything wrong, if ya want to look at where the "wrong" is, then look to G.M. Detroit. Holden has been a victim here, they've had virtually no say in what's happened/happening,.....they haven't for many years. Many many employees in Dealerships are Holden through & through,..they've had this situation lumped on them, as did the Dealerships.
So, most Holden employees are now doing the best they can, with what they've got. Like I said, the "new" Commodore mightn't be the best car in the world, but it ain't the worst either.
I've driven one, and a couple of my friends actually own them, and they are happy.
And yes, you are correct about unsold cars etc etc, none of it is good.
It's a very sad story, but the Commodore is not as bad as some portray it. There are other products doing ok too, Colorado is selling well, and the new Acadia compares well with its competition. Astra is a good thing too.
We do currently own a Holden (HSV), but We've owned many other brands over the years so We're not "öne eyed" Holden, We just buy what suits us at the time, just as we did when we bought our Defender, which we loved. But ya know what, some of our motoring buddies reckoned it was rubbish,....but what would they know?...Simply their "üneducated" opinion!
I am sad about what has happened, but I wouldn't blame "Holden" itself, so yes I'm sad for all the Mums & Dads that work for Holden, the direction of which was decided upon a long way from Aussie.
Martin.

I read an interview with Peter Hannenberger (sp?) a little while ago, the man behind the engineering revolution at GM-H in the late seventies to make the cars bloody well handle and drive properly.
Yes, he was the engineering brains behind 'Radial Tuned Suspension'.

He was ex-Opel, loves Australia and loved Holden but stated he could never return to this country after what was done to the local arm by Detroit.
It still pains him so much.

Pickles might've even posted the link?

Originally Posted by Pickles2

You are entitled to your opinion, as I am to mine.
What Holden has "done" is a very long story, and has probably been discussed in C.A. Holden was the last manufacturer to vacate Aussie, and they continued to manufacture here after everybody else, until it was impossible for them to continue.
"Holden", itself, didn't do anything wrong, if ya want to look at where the "wrong" is, then look to G.M. Detroit. Holden has been a victim here, they've had virtually no say in what's happened/happening,.....they haven't for many years. Many many employees in Dealerships are Holden through & through,..they've had this situation lumped on them, as did the Dealerships.
So, most Holden employees are now doing the best they can, with what they've got. Like I said, the "new" Commodore mightn't be the best car in the world, but it ain't the worst either.
I've driven one, and a couple of my friends actually own them, and they are happy.
And yes, you are correct about unsold cars etc etc, none of it is good.
It's a very sad story, but the Commodore is not as bad as some portray it. There are other products doing ok too, Colorado is selling well, and the new Acadia compares well with its competition. Astra is a good thing too.
We do currently own a Holden (HSV), but We've owned many other brands over the years so We're not "öne eyed" Holden, We just buy what suits us at the time, just as we did when we bought our Defender, which we loved. But ya know what, some of our motoring buddies reckoned it was rubbish,....but what would they know?...Simply their "üneducated" opinion!
I am sad about what has happened, but I wouldn't blame "Holden" itself, so yes I'm sad for all the Mums & Dads that work for Holden, the direction of which was decided upon a long way from Aussie.
Martin.

Do you seriously believe all that? Would love to see a poll on who thinks Holden are the victim in all of this.😉. Holden is owned by GM, so same thing, you can’t claim they had no choice - they MADE the choices based on what head office told them, it doesn’t abdicate them of their actions or consequences just because someone higher up the ladder told them to do it. If you stole something because your boss said so, would that make you innocent? I think not... Won’t say any more as you’re obviously so one eyed on the subject Holden can do no wrong in your eyes. Either that or your just trolling with this post?

I thought I knew you better than for you to all me a "troll" Gav,
You simply don't understand.
"Holden" did NOT make any choices,...I'll say again,..NONE.
They were ALL made in Detroit.
"Rick" forum member hits it on the head, when He refers to Peter Hannenberger )(I'm not sure of the spelling either) who said Part quote "what was done to the local arm BY DETROIT"....now that has come direct from the mouth of one of the most respected Chiefs Holden ever had, and the last one who was allowed to make his own decisions. He was also responsible for the CV8 Monaro. That is what He said in retirement, or do you know better than him too?
Since his time, all decisions have come from Detroit, whether you believe that or not is irrelevant, because it is actually, the truth.
Martin.

Originally Posted by Pickles2

I thought I knew you better than for you to all me a "troll" Gav,
You simply don't understand.
"Holden" did NOT make any choices,...I'll say again,..NONE.
They were ALL made in Detroit.
"Rick" forum member hits it on the head, when He refers to Peter Hannenberger )(I'm not sure of the spelling either) who said Part quote "what was done to the local arm BY DETROIT"....now that has come direct from the mouth of one of the most respected Chiefs Holden ever had, and the last one who was allowed to make his own decisions. He was also responsible for the CV8 Monaro. That is what He said in retirement, or do you know better than him too?
Since his time, all decisions have come from Detroit, whether you believe that or not is irrelevant, because it is actually, the truth.
Martin.

I didn’t call you a troll at all, I said you were a one eyed Holden supporter. 😉. Sorry about the troll bit - I’ll keep it on topic and didn’t mean to offend.

Holden and GM are the same same - as I said you can’t seperate them here and claim Holden are innocent. That just doesn’t wash. Have you seen one apology from Holden about ANYTHING that’s happened? Not the actions of the innocent IMO.