Grumpy old buggers thread

[scarry]

Have had two Hi-ace Vans & two Corollas & always rcd excellent service & communication.

Maybe it is something Toymotas do well.

The smart thing is to build the vehicle properly in the first place,so it doesn’t have to go to the dealer for work,particularly during the warranty period.
We have never ever had a Tojo needing any warranty work,and we have had many of them.

Something LR haven’t worked out how to do in 70 yrs

[4bee]

The smart thing is to build the vehicle properly in the first place,so it doesn’t have to go to the dealer for work,particularly during the warranty period.
We have never ever had a Tojo needing any warranty work,and we have had many of them.

Something LR haven’t worked out how to do in 70 yrs

They could but their Dealer Network wouldn't be happy.

Structurally the Hi-aces were great. The only problem that I ever found was that the carby was at the highest point of the hot engine bay requiring a bit more engine turning than if it had been lower but I think I had that licked & had an SU electric pump gifted to me that I never got around to fitting because I retired.


That pump now resides in my S2A as a backup when she drains back now & then after she stands for an extended period.

Fix it? No, not bothered now as a bit of a ball ache, I just touch the SU cable onto the battery for a quick burst of fuel. Job done.

[scarry]

They could but their Dealer Network wouldn't be happy.

Structurally the Hi-aces were great. The only problem that I ever found was that the carby was at the highest point of the hot engine bay requiring a bit more engine turning than if it had been lower but I think I had that licked & had an SU electric pump gifted to me that I never got around to fitting because I retired.


That pump now resides in my S2A as a backup when she drains back now & then after she stands for an extended period.

Fix it? No, not bothered now as a bit of a ball ache, I just touch the SU cable onto the battery for a quick burst of fuel. Job done.

None of ours had a carby and the pump is in the tank,all good

Been mucking around with the pump on the Old S1,why on earth didnt they have a mechanical pump,just like Holden did from the 50's?
I suppose they didnt want reliability,even in those days?

I remember it stuffing up when i was a kid,and the old man being real grumpy(so we are on topic again)
He actually had two mounted under the bonnet,for a while,one spare,but i cant remember how they were mounted,wired, or plumbed up.

[4bee]

None of ours had a carby and the pump is in the tank,all good

Been mucking around with the pump on the Old S1,why on earth didnt they have a mechanical pump,just like Holden did from the 50's?
I suppose they didnt want reliability,even in those days?

I remember it stuffing up when i was a kid,and the old man being real grumpy(so we are on topic again)
He actually had two mounted under the bonnet,for a while,one spare,but i cant remember how they were mounted,wired, or plumbed up.

Eventually LR did with the 2A a possibly earlier (JD would know for sure) Just Teed in on suction & discharge lines. It eliminated & bypassed the Mech Check Valves.


Never needed to use my one as a Running Spare but could if I did. Just wire the S.U. up with a proper elec. connection & a switch.


On the 2L Hi-ace engine of mine the pump sat on the engine base similar to the std Series LR one. The 2l on the LWB performed remarkably well. It now sits bolted to a chassis rail behind the donk.

The House Painter was here one day & I casually asked him if he wanted a Hi-ace with Ladder racks & Internal shelving for a Grand. Dismantlers/Wreckers, were only talking mid hundreds at that time. He just about bit my hands off.

[scarry]

The House Painter was here one day & I casually asked him if he wanted a Hi-ace with Ladder racks & Internal shelving for a Grand. Dismantlers/Wreckers, were only talking mid hundreds at that time. He just about bit my hands off.

Reminds me when we lived at Marsden,2nd house we bought,needed a driveway to the shed,wasnt long,maybe 30M.

The shed was always full of domestic fridges,i would fix up and sell in the local rag.
It was one and a half size,so about 4M wide i think,6M long.Colourbond.
Got the kit and built it ourselves,SWMBO helped,she was 8 1/2 months pregnant at the time

Concreter rocks up and does the job,then asks about the old HQ ute i had for years,thanks to SWMBO,it had dents in every panel.Still went well,and registered.
We ended up swapping it for the job

Then picked up an immaculate HZ wagon.Twice she hit the new fence i built.with a rear door,off to the wreckers,grab another,unbolt the bent one,bolt the new one on.
The bloke at the wreckers was like,'not you again'
The only problem,the car was white,and he never had a white door,so it went for years with one door different colours to the car

Are, such is life,the good old days.

[1950landy]

Back in the days when I was service manager for a JRA /Daihatsu dealership we had very little warranty claims on Daihatsu's may be one every two months if that, but the Jaguar side of the JRA was a full time job for me writing warranty claims , the Rover side of it was not too bad .

[3toes]

Every brand had a story

Mid eighties a friend bought a new Daihatsu. Couple of weeks old and back to dealer as brakes were funny. Told needed a new master cylinder and none in stock in Australia. Would be here in a week. No loan cars available. Couple of months later and many excuses later - list order, service manager left with order book, dog ate the paper work- might have made that one up but you get the picture. Friend decides to look up the address of Daihatsu in Japan and write them a letter. This letter was not emotional just laid out facts your girl bought new car and excited but dealer not able to obtain part could they help. As luck would have letter arrived in Japan at same time as a delegation of Australia dealers. Rather than being praised they found themselves being interrogated as to why this customer was not happy and why a simple repair had not been completed. Friend had to confirm by phone to Japan that car had now been fixed and they were now a happy customer

Or in seventies a Mercedes that would not go and no one could figure out why. Been in the garage for weeks and customer not happy. A senior trainer from Germany was in Australia visiting and was asked to sort it as a training exercise for the mechanics but could not figure it out either. Do not remember how that one ended up. This on what today would be considered a simple car technology wise

Or in UK about 20 years ago VW Golfs filing up the service car storage area as they were breaking down all same symptoms but no one could figure out why for weeks

[JDNSW]

Eventually LR did with the 2A a possibly earlier (JD would know for sure) Just Teed in on suction & discharge lines. It eliminated & bypassed the Mech Check Valves.
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I think you have to appreciate automotive history to have an idea why brands went with particular ideas.

Today we think of a world market, with any innovation being available worldwide for the cost of a production licence as soon as it shows up, and designers and decision makers in, for example, Solihull, being well informed about what the opposition overseas is doing. But this has really only been the case since the 1960s. Before that there was no internet, there were virtually no international phone calls (yes, they existed, but were so expensive they were rarely used), and as a result, the NIH syndrome (not invented here) was much more dominant than it is now - and its still pretty strong!

The problem of getting fuel from the tank to the engine has been about sice the start of motoring. Up until the 1920s, the most common solution was to put the tank high (behind the dash or under the driver's seat) and the carbie low (updraft or sidedraft) or, on large cars, usually chauffeur driven, by pressurising the tank from the exhaust, with a hand pump for starting. By the late 1920s these were replaced by a vacuum tank on the firewall, that used manifold vacuum to do the job.

Reliable and affordable mechanical or electric pumps did not appear until the 1930s (requiring the development of petrol resistant synthetic rubbers). The most successful and familiar mechanical pump came from the USA, and consequently had little immediate use outside the USA. It was, as far as I can remember, only adopted in the UK (during the war) by Austin, for their series of OHV engines that were a mirror copy of Chevrolet's design (without the benefit of a licence - but due to the small flow of information, GM apparently missed this). Other English manufacturers found the SU electric pump more suitable, being a direct replacement for the vacuum tank, and unlike the mechanical pump, did not require to be considered at the design stage for the engine (to make a mount on the block next to the camshaft and room for an eccentric on the camshaft).

The Rover IOE engines were designed in 1939-40, although production was delayed until after the war, and no provision was made for a mechanical pump. However, by the time they were designing a replacement for these engines it was clear that a mechanical pump was the right thing to use, especially since the engine was initially designed as a diesel, and the SU pump was unable to supply either the pressure or volume needed for the CAV injection pump. But the six was the older design, so stuck with the SU.

From the designer's point of view, the mechanical pump is undesirable, and with fuel injection systems usually requiring fuel pressure to start, is rapidly looking like vanishing.

[1950landy]

Every brand had a story

Mid eighties a friend bought a new Daihatsu. Couple of weeks old and back to dealer as brakes were funny. Told needed a new master cylinder and none in stock in Australia. Would be here in a week. No loan cars available. Couple of months later and many excuses later - list order, service manager left with order book, dog ate the paper work- might have made that one up but you get the picture. Friend decides to look up the address of Daihatsu in Japan and write them a letter. This letter was not emotional just laid out facts your girl bought new car and excited but dealer not able to obtain part could they help. As luck would have letter arrived in Japan at same time as a delegation of Australia dealers. Rather than being praised they found themselves being interrogated as to why this customer was not happy and why a simple repair had not been completed. Friend had to confirm by phone to Japan that car had now been fixed and they were now a happy customer

Or in seventies a Mercedes that would not go and no one could figure out why. Been in the garage for weeks and customer not happy. A senior trainer from Germany was in Australia visiting and was asked to sort it as a training exercise for the mechanics but could not figure it out either. Do not remember how that one ended up. This on what today would be considered a simple car technology wise

Or in UK about 20 years ago VW Golfs filing up the service car storage area as they were breaking down all same symptoms but no one could figure out why for weeks

In the case of the Daihatsu the dealer should have gone to Toyota as most of the parts were were interchangeable. When Daihatsu first came to Australia they had a deal with Toyota to only sell commercial vehicles so the 4WD F10 & F10L were same as Toyota Rocky & there light trucks were Toyota ToyoAce's / Dyna's & they did not sell passenger vehicles We used to have a ToyoAce in our family business it was usually cheaper to buy parts from Daihatsu than Toyota. In all the light trucks we sold we only had one warranty claim which was also for a master cylinder & think we would have only fitted a service kit in it , the 4WD's on the other hand we needed to replace the full set of transfer case bearings in all the vehicles that we sold . As Service Manager I would receive service information from Daihatsu , I can remember one that stated they allowed $50 per vehicle in the purchase price of the vehicles & on average it was costing them $10 per vehicle for warranty claims. When Daihatsu did start selling passenger vehicles the first was the Charade a small 3 cylinder sedan. I could only drive them if I took my work boots off because the foot well was so small when I pushed the brake I would also push the clutch or accelerator .

[1950landy]

[QUOTE=3toes;3155212]Every brand had a story

Mid eighties a friend bought a new Daihatsu. Couple of weeks old and back to dealer as brakes were funny. Told needed a new master cylinder and none in stock in Australia. Would be here in a week. No loan cars available. Couple of months later and many excuses later - list order, service manager left with order book, dog ate the paper work- might have made that one up but you get the picture. Friend decides to look up the address of Daihatsu in Japan and write them a letter. This letter was not emotional just laid out facts your girl bought new car and excited but dealer not able to obtain part could they help. As luck would have letter arrived in Japan at same time as a delegation of Australia dealers. Rather than being praised they found themselves being interrogated as to why this customer was not happy and why a simple repair had not been completed. Friend had to confirm by phone to Japan that car had now been fixed and they were now a happy customer

Or in seventies a Mercedes that would not go and no one could figure out why. Been in the garage for weeks and customer not happy. A senior trainer from Germany was in Australia visiting and was asked to sort it as a training exercise for the mechanics but could not figure it out either. Do not remember how that one ended up. This on what today would be considered a simple car technology wise

Or in UK about 20 years ago VW Golfs filing up the service car storage area as they were breaking down all same symptoms but no one could figure out why for weeks[/QUOT

Sorry double post , internet as slow as a Sloth this morning & thought it had not posted .