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Originally Posted by bob10

The health Minister should stand aside until the investigation is complete, and judgement made. He is responsible for the operation of the health Dept., and saying as he did at the start of this that he was not aware of what happened on board asks so many questions. I don't think that any one should have to face criminal charges over this, but incompetence shouldn't be rewarded. If someone low in the pecking order made the decision, without checking with their superiors, that's the sign of a dysfunctional system. And who is in charge of the System?

The Minister is not responsible for the "operation" of the Health Dept. That's like saying the Defence Minister is responsible for the operation of the Army, Navy and Air Force.
The Minister looks after policy from the grubberment to the Dept and the direction the Dept should take in accordance with that policy. They don't run it, making day to day decisions. There is a Head of Dept for that and that is the head that should roll. That person does not need Ministerial intervention to make inspections and/or prevent those passengers that may present a risk coming ashore without adequate safe guards. If that is the person that deemed this situation "low risk", then that is responsible person.

Having said all that, the head of the Dept also has his/her plebs, dweebs, lackies, runners and slaves that feed them information on which they make decisions. The head of Dept will ascribe that they were "not provided with timely, effective and accurate information" So as I said earlier it will pobably be one of those "advisers" (or lower) that that is made the scapegoat.

It is the old adage of the tree of management, those at the top crap on those below, when those below look up all they see is arseholes, when those at the top look down all they see is ****.

Originally Posted by ChookD2

The Minister is not responsible for the "operation" of the Health Dept. That's like saying the Defence Minister is responsible for the operation of the Army, Navy and Air Force.
The Minister looks after policy from the grubberment to the Dept and the direction the Dept should take in accordance with that policy. They don't run it, making day to day decisions. There is a Head of Dept for that and that is the head that should roll. That person does not need Ministerial intervention to make inspections and/or prevent those passengers that may present a risk coming ashore without adequate safe guards. If that is the person that deemed this situation "low risk", then that is responsible person.

Having said all that, the head of the Dept also has his/her plebs, dweebs, lackies, runners and slaves that feed them information on which they make decisions. The head of Dept will ascribe that they were "not provided with timely, effective and accurate information" So as I said earlier it will pobably be one of those "advisers" (or lower) that that is made the scapegoat.

It is the old adage of the tree of management, those at the top crap on those below, when those below look up all they see is arseholes, when those at the top look down all they see is ****.

Thanks for pointing that out. I wish I knew at just what level does the buck stop? The gangway sentry. ? What a bunfight. EDIT I suppose the moral is, never look up to management.

Originally Posted by bob10

Thanks for pointing that out. I wish I knew at just what level does the buck stop? The gangway sentry. ? What a bunfight. EDIT I suppose the moral is, never look up to management.

Not trying to be a smart arse or the like. These people are experts at passing the buck, deflecting blame, call it what you like. They get to these levels through hard work, study and back stabbing. The buck stops when it can't fall any further, i.e. gets stuck on the **** on someone's head.

The mud won't stick to ANY of the public servants involved because that is the way the system works.
Meanwhile Australians are paying for this cock up with their lives.

Originally Posted by DiscoMick

The Minister said the decision was made by a panel of health experts and he relied on their expert advice, which was reasonable for both the federal and state ministers to do, I think.
But clearly the health experts were wrong and the passengers should have been tested.
Another issue is if the cruise ship company provided proper advice to the authorities, or covered up that there had previously been sick people on board. I guess that will be the focus of the police investigation.

Another issue is if the cruise ship company provided proper advice to the authorities, or covered up that

It appears that is on the agenda to be investigated but depends who you listen to it may well have been covered up.



I repeat for the 3rd time on here, within hours of this occurring the Border Force Head strongly denied on SKY OZ it was their responsibility & was up to NSW Health to give or deny permission to disembark. The Captain apparently was talking to NSW Health.

Originally Posted by 4bee

I repeat for the 3rd time on here, within hours of this occurring the Border Force Head strongly denied on SKY OZ it was their responsibility & was up to NSW Health to give or deny permission to disembark. The Captain apparently was talking to NSW Health.

This is where things get a bit murky - I saw a telephone interview on tv about a week ago with the Captain of the ship - he specifically said that Border Force had given him the approval to disembark passengers - I think this will be a "he said, she said" situation.

Garry

Originally Posted by 101RRS

This is where things get a bit murky - I saw a telephone interview on tv about a week ago with the Captain of the ship - he specifically said that Border Force had given him the approval to disembark passengers - I think this will be a "he said, she said" situation.

Garry

I think there is a fair bit of that going on. In education, what Health said and recommended to the independant schools is very very different to what the government is saying that Health are saying. Thats why we closed our school campus 2 weeks ago while the Govt were saying that schools are perfectly safe.