Corona Virus

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

I can see how fumigating with smoke from.burning grass might watd off Coronavirus - not!

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The ceremonial burning of plants is traditionally used here in Australia to ward of nasties!

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Originally Posted by bob10

Sweden went for herd immunity. Save as the UK early on. Big mistake. The same as opening borders too early would be a big mistake.

Sunny Stockholm eyes herd immunity, but was Sweden'''s relaxed coronavirus strategy worth it? - ABC News

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External borders are very different to internal travel.
Opening internal borders is nothing like what Sweden has done, just like comparing Australia to the UK is a nonsense.
Neither of those countries had testing or contact tracing in place early on such as we have now.

Having said that I think our experts will be watching this closely Coronavirus live news: South Korea re-tightens lockdown restrictions after spike in cases | World news | The Guardian

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Originally Posted by bob10

Sweden went for herd immunity. Save as the UK early on. Big mistake

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its like ripping off a band-aid. have to do it once quickly. yeah it hurts but its done.

i dont necessarily believe that, i just couldn't help the seeing the analogy.

Some say we won't get a second wave. Working in retail I can tell you "the great unwashed" don't give a rats about this virus or anyone or anything!! Trying to social distance in the retail environment is damn near impossible. Everyone wants to get close and show you a picture on their phone "do you have one of these" or "can you tell me where I can find this". "Your web site shows......". ARGGGHHHH!!
We have hand sanitiser just inside the door to our store, and I'd say that about 30% of people entering use it. When I'm at work I carry a small sanitiser in my pocket and use it frequently.
I'm actually suprised I haven't caught it. But then I could be asymptomatic, who knows.
I understand that the tourist industry in SE Qld wants (needs) the borders opened but to be honest I think it is too early, however, I don't think we will have to wait for September. Let's just it take it a little at a time and maybe the second wave might just be a ripple.

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

That's okay, he can discuss it with Queensland's CMO, Dr Jeanette Young, who says the borders should stay closed. I'm sure they'll have a pleasant chat.

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This would be the same expert that allowed 80 people to a funeral as an exemption but banned an Anzac day flyover?

'''Power hungry''': LNP slams Queensland top doctor'''s coronavirus advice

Regards,
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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

The medical experts day closing the borders has been very important for preventing community transmission.
I expect the national borders would open every state to NZ at the same time. If its safe to open the state borders, then its definitely safe to open to NZ. Lets see the federal act, not talk.

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The difference now to 1918 is that when they closed the borders then they didn't let residents across the border and back into their home State until they'd served quarantine.

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Originally Posted by windsock

Agreed, although I think waiting for a vaccine may be too long a wait.

We can do this if the management of this is the same or similar between states and our two countries. Too many different management methods allows for too much risk of outbreaks through inconsistent approaches, and too many issues for the effective control of an outbreak to arise in the event of one. There needs to be a compatible infrastructure for tracing/tracking, testing and isolation and dealing with cases as and when they arise if we are to avoid Lockdown v2.0.

We have all learnt how we need to deal with this (contact tracing, testing and isolation) and our new normal is going to need to reflect the application of a majority of what we have learned but we all need to be operating at the same level of efficacy of method for the success of any ANZAC 'bubble'.

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The proposed Tasman bubble will be low risk but it won't be zero-risk. Our future for the next few years will be generally low levels of infection but with clusters breaking out periodically. That would need to be understood by NZ if they want Australian tourists back.

And if the States outside NSW and Vic think that they're magically immune from clusters developing then they're bound to be disappointed.

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Originally Posted by Arapiles

And if the States outside NSW and Vic think that they're magically immune from clusters developing then they're bound to be disappointed.

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As has been well proven. Risk though is always a delicate balance between perception and reality. Frankly I'm thankful I only have to do what I'm told and not try and assess and review this risk assesment. I assume (yeah, I know. Benny Hill) those partaking in the risk assessment and subsequent treatment plans have far more information than I do.

I'll be surprised if an effective vaccine is released this year. Vaccines take longer than that.
Even with a vaccine the virus will be endemic, so it will still be out there. We''ll all get it eventually, so there's that to look forward too.
The UK didn't close it's borders, so the virus spread like wildfire. The USA was too late closing and the virus was already spreading in New York and Washington.
I assume by late June we'll know if NSW has had a second wave and if it's suppressed, and if Victoria is suppressing.
Assuming the federal government doesn't let any more ships with infected crews across our national borders, we could be okay.
So that could mean travel resuming around July-August.

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Originally Posted by Arapiles

The proposed Tasman bubble will be low risk but it won't be zero-risk. Our future for the next few years will be generally low levels of infection but with clusters breaking out periodically. That would need to be understood by NZ if they want Australian tourists back.

And if the States outside NSW and Vic think that they're magically immune from clusters developing then they're bound to be disappointed.

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Every State understands the risk of clusters , that's why they have developed tracing / tracking and testing teams to be sent to outbreaks, which was shown to work well in Rockhampton and Blackwater. As for Rockhampton , the only case was the nurse, no other cases were found, they are not releasing information about the nurse because they have to verify her story. Apparently, according to the latest TV interview, she went to Kuala Lumpur , came back, lived in Blackwater for a while then went to Rockhampton, where symptoms developed. Contact between the nurse and the Blackwater resident who died has not be proven, that is still under investigation. Blackwater residents are being tested as we speak [metaphorically ]