Thread: Corona Virus

Originally Posted by cjc_td5

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I think this may be a show stopper for the AZ vaccine, especially when there is a viable alternative available. The gov has some hard decisions to make very soon...

So far in Australia, we have one blood clotting case in about 100,000 doses given with no real evidence that the vaccination had anything to do with it.

Compare this to a case-fatality rate for the virus of around 3% in Australia.

As for using the Pfitzer vaccine instead of the AstraZeneca one, consider these points.

1. AstraZeneca vaccine is ramping up production in Australia
2. The cold-chain requirements for the Pfitzer vaccine mean it would be much more difficult to distribute in Australia anywhere outside major hospitals.
3. The Pfitzer vaccine has only one manufacturer, and is in short supply. Because it uses new technology to manufacture it, a long lead time and a lot of money is needed to set up to manufacture it, even after negotiations with Pfitzer for a licence. This means supply of it will be very constrained at least until well into next year.
4. The Pfitzer vaccine costs approximately ten times the AstraZeneca vaccine.

So no, I do not think there is a viable alternative available. There will be, but probably not the Pfitzner one. If I had to bet I would guess Johnson & Johnson as it is a one dose vaccine. But it will not be this year, or even early next year.

Originally Posted by bob10

Is it true it's an aphrodisiac?

Just gimme 5 & I'll let you know.

Nope.

Originally Posted by 4bee

Just gimme 5 & I'll let you know.

Nope.

Couldn't find the pepper & magnifying glass ?, I know the feeling

Originally Posted by cjc_td5

One issue is that the UK has minimal cases of the clotting effect is because they are only vaccinating with AZ age 60+. Germany and others are vaccinating 45+ age groups and are seeing higher incidences of the complications, hence they have paused their programs.

I think this may be a show stopper for the AZ vaccine, especially when there is a viable alternative available. The gov has some hard decisions to make very soon...

Germany has restricted use of AstraZeneca to the over 60's. Germany's Federal and State Ministers decided after blood clots were reported in a tiny number of younger people who received the vaccine. Their studies found that AZ was a vaccine that is effective against severe bouts of the disease, and is needed to be effective in the third wave and dangerous viral mutations. Interesting video in this link.

Germany restricts use of AstraZeneca vaccine to over 60s in most cases | News | DW | 30.03.2021

Originally Posted by bob10

Couldn't find the pepper & magnifying glass ?, I know the feeling

I'll tell you all about it one day when we swap Sea Shanties.

Originally Posted by bob10

Couldn't find the pepper & magnifying glass ?, I know the feeling

OH Pepper is it? I thought it was Salt, as one does for Snails & Slugs. Deeeeeeeerrr.

Originally Posted by cjc_td5

One issue is that the UK has minimal cases of the clotting effect is because they are only vaccinating with AZ age 60+.................

Not sure the UK is limiting AZ to specific age groups as "The UK has also been one of the world leaders in vaccinations: More than 30 million people have now received at least one dose of a coronavirus vaccine. The British government said on March 20 that half of all UK adults had received at least one shot." London recorded zero COVID-19 deaths for the first time in 6 months (msn.com)

Originally Posted by 4bee

OH Pepper is it? I thought it was Salt, as one does for Snails & Slugs. Deeeeeeeerrr.

Heavens to mergatroyd, you use the pepper and grab the one that sneezes, with the tweezers. Wait I forgot about the tweezers. Oh what the hey, it's all too much trouble, I'd rather watch the footy anyway.