Thread: Corona Virus

Originally Posted by ChookD2

Not hard to find reporting.

Wuhan's death toll could be astronomically higher than the Chinese government has reported, some residents say | Business Insider

These reports come from "Radio Free Asia", which is a US Government propaganda arm, which, according to Wikipedia, was originally set up by the CIA. Think "Radio Free Europe" aimed at China.

Estimates Show Wuhan Death Toll Far Higher Than Official Figure

Attributed to two anonymous sources, no independent verification, speculative figures.

I also checked Caixin re the claim in the SCMP that they'd reported a truck driver delivering lots of urns, but nothing in the English version that I could see. But in case you read Chinese, here's the Chinese version:

汉口殡仪馆亲属排队领骨灰 未预约需排队5小时_图片频道_财新网

But even then - so what? Wuhan is part of a vast conurbation and Hubei province has a population of 59 million - so there would always be a lot of cremations.

Originally Posted by ChookD2

How can anyone, in particular world leaders, believe the numbers for China???

With Spain, Italy and USA all over 100,000 cases and given the way it has been reported that the Chinese grubberment stuffed up the early stages of this mess. I would suggest that Chinese cases would be in 100's of thousands and the deceased would be in the 10's of thousands.

They must be pressued to fess up about the seriousness of this thing they have released on the world!!! ALL information should be shared about symptoms, duration, treatments (that work and that don't), possible cures, ALL information. Now is not the time to be contemplating patents or calculating profit from any vaccine. ALL efforts should be collaborative around the world until this thing is beaten.

The current crop of world leaders are not learning from what the Chinese government did to control this thing. The absolute true numbers in China do not really matter. What matters is the shape of their curve and how they got the situation apparently under control as they did, when they did. Imagine if they had not. Provinces and cities (with the populations of large/small countries) in China were locked down in days after some political obfuscation, sure, but they were locked down hard eventually. An important point to note here is that obfuscation is not the sole domain of only the Chinese government.

The difference between the Chinese curve shape and the exponential curves we are seeing around the world now, to a very large degree, not only reflects the differences of how authorities/governments react to threats/knowledge but also how we react to those authority's decisions and to each other; and the relative levels of testing undertaken.

In a perfect world...

Originally Posted by ChookD2

Just lookin at the figures on this site.....

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How can anyone, in particular world leaders, believe the numbers for China???

With Spain, Italy and USA all over 100,000 cases and given the way it has been reported that the Chinese grubberment stuffed up the early stages of this mess. I would suggest that Chinese cases would be in 100's of thousands and the deceased would be in the 10's of thousands.

They must be pressued to fess up about the seriousness of this thing they have released on the world!!! ALL information should be shared about symptoms, duration, treatments (that work and that don't), possible cures, ALL information. Now is not the time to be contemplating patents or calculating profit from any vaccine. ALL efforts should be collaborative around the world until this thing is beaten.

The Nikkei Asian review has their own ideas on China.

China is rewriting coronavirus history and nobody will stop it

Originally Posted by 4bee

Not to mention the dunny paper et al.


Gotta say this in view of today's Illegal exports decision by Mr Baldy. I did mention that this was happening a couple of weeks ago but was laughed outta town. Now guess who is laughing?


Sometimes it pays to listen to your elders. We have lived a bit longer.

You have a selective memory. The story that you posted about the Chinese Navy being loaded with contraband was absolute rubbish. The Chinese companies were sending essential supplies back to China at that time, and it was common knowledge. And it was legal. Now it is not .Simple. Don't get carried away. You've nothing to laugh about.

Anyone working from home at the moment will appreciate this.

If the virus cases don't get much worse, our hospitals should cope , even without the private hospitals.


If coronavirus cases don't grow any faster, our health system will probably cope


Australia’s infection rate appears to be slowing

The number of new COVID-19 cases in Australia has flattened over the past five days.

This is not just because new arrivals have slowed with much tighter border controls, and the slump in international air travel. The number of new local infections each day is also not growing.

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I thought 'Ronnie Barker'!

Originally Posted by Saitch

I thought 'Ronnie Barker'!

I get it.