Corona Virus

**JDNSW** · 14th January 2021, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by Slunnie

I suspect from your end that you will be in the 1b designation rollout, and in that rollout I suspect there is a good chance you will be able to access the Pfizer version. I'm in a similar boat and will also try to get the pfizer vaccination. This vaccination is far harder to store and about 10x the cost of the Astrazeneca vaccination. Pfizer has an 95% effectiveness, which I suspect the government is using to prevent people from being affected by covid, where the Astrazeneca has about a 70% effectiveness which I suspect the government is targeting a herd immunity (actually this is from the WHO), because its cheaper. I saw an article suggesting 50% effectiveness is required for this, but I don't know what the % of population is required at 50%.

This is how I see it anyway, but I'm with you, I would much rather pay the $20/shot out of my pocket to get the Pfizer vaccination than have the $2.50 Astrazeneca. But I can also see it from the Govts perspective when they've bought 63.8 million doses.

It is not just the cost. The BioNtech vaccine (made by Pfizer) is a novel type of vaccine, using novel manufacturing methods. The Astrazeneca one is made in the same way that most decades have been made for decades. This means that not only is it cheaper, but it can be made in Australia using existing production lines (and actually is being made at present in expectation of approval - risk being assumed by the Federal Government), which means that it will be available long before any additional BioNtech/Pfizer doses can be delivered - all production capacity for probably most of this year is already paid for by countries that are much more desperate than Australia.

So it comes down to "do you want the cheaper vaccine in the first quarter of the year, or pay ten times as much for the better one in the last quarter (assuming a desperate government in the USA or Europe does not stop overseas shipments before then)?"

**bob10** · 14th January 2021, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by 4bee

Like.....
Fed. Govt. Purchasing Officer."Send the bulk to the States but two cartons of the good stuff c/o Parliament House please, asap?"

Cynical? Moi?

I guess we should be thankful we are not like the UK and the USA, Europe , Japan.......just about every one else besides N Z . Could be a good time to pour some funds into the QLD vaccine, which was touted to be over 90% effective, just have to fix the false positive AIDS results. Couldn't be too hard, could it?

**Slunnie** · 14th January 2021, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by bob10

I guess we should be thankful we are not like the UK and the USA, Europe , Japan.......just about every one else besides N Z . Could be a good time to pour some funds into the QLD vaccine, which was touted to be over 90% effective, just have to fix the false positive AIDS results. Couldn't be too hard, could it?

They were using fragments of a protein that is also found in HIV that stablised the vaccine so that it consistently worked. So not really, and by the time they redevelop, they're at the very least 1 year down the track from now and the ship will have already sailed.

**bob10** · 14th January 2021, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by Slunnie

They were using fragments of a protein that is also found in HIV that stablised the vaccine so that it consistently worked. So not really, and by the time they redevelop, they're at the very least 1 year down the track from now and the ship will have already sailed.

From all reports we can not get any more of the Pfizer, and this thing could be with us for years. Just seems a shame they were so close.

**350RRC** · 14th January 2021, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by Slunnie

They were using fragments of a protein that is also found in HIV that stablised the vaccine so that it consistently worked. So not really, and by the time they redevelop, they're at the very least 1 year down the track from now and the ship will have already sailed.

I don't think the ship is going anywhere soon.

DL

**Xtreme** · 15th January 2021, 04:20 AM

Does anyone know if bob10 is still OK? ................ it's been almost 12 hours since the previous post in this thread and no news updates or comments from hin.

**bob10** · 15th January 2021, 07:30 AM

Originally Posted by Xtreme

Does anyone know if bob10 is still OK? ................ it's been almost 12 hours since the previous post in this thread and no news updates or comments from hin.

I thought " gee that's nice of him ". Then I saw your location. Just another latte sipping smarty from donald duck land. Can't wait for the next State of Origin.

**Saitch** · 15th January 2021, 09:18 AM

Originally Posted by bob10

Not sure that's a good thing. I'll ask around. He hasn't been very well.

Bob, I have just spoken to Ian and he went home to get the grandkiddies. He's fine,

**bob10** · 15th January 2021, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by Saitch

Bob, I have just spoken to Ian and he went home to get the grandkiddies. He's fine,

Thanks Saitch. It's difficult to contact him since the football club closed down, a lot of people are concerned for his welfare. My connection to Ian is his brother served on a patrol boat in Darwin with me. I used to see him on a Friday night at the raffles, just a casual acquaintance, really. But part of the Rooster family, they tend to stick.

**NavyDiver** · 15th January 2021, 10:14 AM

The news is full of three plus one vaccine options.

happily lots more are possible. One I have been watching is due in two weeks via "Johnson & Johnson expects to release critical results from its Covid-19 vaccine trial in as little as two weeks — a potential boon in the effort to protect Americans from the coronavirus — but most likely won’t be able to provide as many doses this spring as it promised the federal government because of unanticipated manufacturing delays.
If the vaccine can strongly protect people against Covid-19, as some outside scientists expect, it would offer big advantages over the two vaccines authorized in the United States. Unlike those products, which require two doses, Johnson & Johnson’s could need just one, greatly simplifying logistics for local health departments and clinics struggling to get shots in arms. What’s more, its vaccine can stay stable in a refrigerator for months, whereas the others have to be frozen."

While CSL is very busy making 50,000,000 shots of the UK one, I suspect the J&J version just might fit in our Vic production plant. They have already said the ULTRA cold two are not really in our current production/manufacturing plant and equipment. Role on DATA. I love science

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