Thread: Covid Mk ll

Originally Posted by 350RRC

So the 9% of the Scottish population (over 12) who have only had 1 dose of a vaccine are doing way better than the 8% of that population who are unvaxxed.

The remaining 83% of the population who've had 2 or 3 vaccinations are about on a par in numbers of covid cases as the unvaxxed (only 8% of the population).

Says that double or triple vaxxed Scots are about 10 times less likely to get the virus than the unvaxxed.

The graph actually shows that double / triple vaxxed Scots are about half as likely to get covid than the single dosers, who are way less likely to get it than the unvaxxed.

Darwinism in action.

DL

The Scottish vax rates / % of population came from here:
Coronavirus (COVID-19): Vaccinations in Scotland – latest data – SPICe Spotlight | Solas air SPICe

Ahh... didn't realize that the jabbing was over and done with back in August...
Anyway, graph only claims to show raw Numbers, not ratios, and will soon be moot if they follow fashion and opt for a 4th (2nd booster) like Israel are doing.
The rate of interval shortening... reckon they'll be on at least another 3 ~5 'boosters' during the coming year.

Funny, worldwide.... haven't heard an official word on practical steps to improve health, overall immune in general, and 'covid-targeted' in particular. Any ideas ?

Originally Posted by superquag

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Anyway, graph only claims to show raw Numbers, not ratios, and will soon be moot if they follow fashion and opt for a 4th (2nd booster) like Israel are doing.
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That is the whole point.

The graph shows raw numbers.

Anyone who is not trying to push some ant-vax agenda can easily work out the ratios and discover that what the graph proves is the opposite of what you tried to suggest that it means.

350RRC did the calculations for you. I hope you have thanked him for correcting your misleading comment.

Originally Posted by superquag

Ahh... didn't realize that the jabbing was over and done with back in August...

The data in the link I provided was last updated on Dec 22 2021.

cheers, DL

Funny, worldwide.... haven't heard an official word on practical steps to improve health, overall immune in general, and 'covid-targeted' in particular. Any ideas ?

Here is a Great idea, Stop pushing your anti vax agenda

In other words, you are against an effective vaccine for Sars-covid2 simply because there is a possibility, based solely on the fact that some of the vaccines use technology developed for SARS ten years ago that was not needed, that the stringent tests required by multiple separate pharmaceutical authorities worldwide have somehow missed problems that have not shown up in the administration of them to hundreds of millions of people worldwide.

You would prefer to take your chances with a disease that has killed tens of millions worldwide, but that these vaccines provide well documented protection against, even if it is only 90% not 100%?

We are not talking about a single manufacturer of a few tens of thousands tyres - with no government control or supervision. We are talking about hundreds of millions of doses of a medicine, which is stringently controlled, inspected and monitored, over multiple manufacturers, by tens of government authorities in as many administrations.

Moreover, if you have a problem with one of these, there are at least two different technologies and at least three individual medications available here, all separately designed, developed and manufactured in at least three different countries.

There is no conceivable similarity with tyres.

Some good news if you had the AZ vaccine as latest data shows it provides more effective long lasting protection against virus mutations that the more modern types which are built to target a more specific version of the virus do not. Something to do with T cell and spike protein. This is being seen in Europe with the current version of the virus where those who had AZ are not appearing in hospital or worse compared to those who had the other type

Originally Posted by 3toes

Some good news if you had the AZ vaccine as latest data shows it provides more effective long lasting protection against virus mutations that the more modern types which are built to target a more specific version of the virus do not. Something to do with T cell and spike protein. This is being seen in Europe with the current version of the virus where those who had AZ are not appearing in hospital or worse compared to those who had the other type

Neutralising antibodies are commonly used as a measure of the effectiveness of protection against a specific pathogen, simply because this is something that can be measured. But neutralising antibodies in the blood are only part of the response of an immune system that has been primed to resist a pathogen by vaccination. The only way of actually knowing how effective a vaccine is in the real world, is by the data reported above - whether people end up in hospital or funeral homes.

The immune system is complicated, and antibodies are probably not the most important part of it, just the part that is practical to measure. Same way that road safety is often tied to speed, simply because it is easy to measure, and does have some relevance.

Originally Posted by 3toes

Some good news if you had the AZ vaccine as latest data shows it provides more effective long lasting protection against virus mutations that the more modern types which are built to target a more specific version of the virus do not. Something to do with T cell and spike protein. This is being seen in Europe with the current version of the virus where those who had AZ are not appearing in hospital or worse compared to those who had the other type

That is good news if correct.


VAX 1 & 2 for us were AZ #3 was fizzer.


There seemed a bit of doubt with AZ earlier but maybe it was just bull****? Hope so.