You’ve hit the nail on the head 4bee,Quote:
Originally Posted by 4bee
We can’t live forever and when my time is up it’s up[emoji1531][emoji1531]
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You’ve hit the nail on the head 4bee,Quote:
Originally Posted by 4bee
We can’t live forever and when my time is up it’s up[emoji1531][emoji1531]
Maybe you should look at the science before you start ranting about the vaccines Not working .[thumbsupbig]Quote:
Originally Posted by Gav 110
They ARE working and not only to prevent deaths and serious illness But also as a means of slowing down and even stopping the spread of this virus.
Why do you think that people Have to be fully vaccinated before they can get across the borders.
YES it IS possible to contract COV19 after being vaccinated But the risk of serious illness, Death and spreading the virus to others is Minimised.
This is NOT the case with those that Choose not to be vaccinated, So YES for me the unvaccinated ARE a threat to others especially those that are unable to get vaccinated for "genuine" medical reasons, The elderly and people with underlying medical conditions.
One of the problems that we have about vaccines (and nearly everything else) is that humans tend to see things in black and white, whereas nearly everything in the real world has shades of grey.
In the case of vaccines, yes, if you are vaccinated, you can get infected, and yes, you can be sick enough to have to go to hospital, and yes, you can die from the virus, and yes, you can spread the infection.
BUT the probability of any of these outcomes compared to being unvaccinated is much lower. Data from hundrdss of thousands of cases around the world, including Australia, show the difference between vaccinated and unvaccinated is a factor of somewhere between five and ten for all of these outcomes.
Hence it is quite accurate to claim a major public health benefit for vaccination of as much of the population as is possible. And as a corollary of this is that those who decide not to be vaccinated without a medical reason are acting against the public interest, putting personal benefit ahead of public benefit - ironically with no real personal benefit.
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And that is how it is explained without insulting anyone or calling people “selfish prats”. :clap2:
Regarding vaccinated people spreading the virus, our eldest daughter gave us all the present of covid over the holidays. The entire time she was unsymptomatic and is fully vaccinated, so villifying the unvaccinated as being the only spreaders is a bit silly.
Regards,
Tote
Again, black and white thinking. Yes, unvaccinated are not the only spreaders - just that they are much better at it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tote
Scince V discussed a little bit of truth mixed with a lot of that stuff[biggrin] Josh Rogan show was discussed and most of the outrageous disinformation and method /play book how and why to allow some people to go down the worm hole and think Doctors, Scientist and media as colluding to make up stuff. What is interesting is it has the Audio of what was said in the offending pod cast by cherry picking bits and ignoring the outcome.
Pericarditis study from Hong Kong which the pod cast claimed saw most young men getting seriously ill from covid vax. Pericarditis was discus with the Doctor who wrote the report. None of the kids needed to be hospitalized - they were to test them fully. All recovered fully with a panadol at most!
Womens periods and Infertility. Claimed some Religious types recorded exact details of all women's periods was a ripper plus! Pod cast ignored the millions $ of testing the few reports of the issues and did find vaccine could delay periods by a day or so on average. ( So can marathon training. Bike Riding and many high level sports training!) [thumbsupbig][thumbsupbig][thumbsupbig]
The games people play can be harmful plus. Cult like attributes of many anti science, Anti Medical, Anti Media and even anti government trust is more than a little sad for those who truly believe. The QNON belief that a major group of Pedophiles is running the world is a extraordinary example perhaps. A QNON believer was asked after several years have they personally saved on child from the massive conspiracy? They hadn't of course. The rabbit hole is reversible for some. To late for Edgar Maddison Welch who is in prison for 4 years- He now understands it was an "“incredibly ill-advised decision” to try to save endangered children who were never there. “The intel on this wasn’t 100 percent,”"
"A 29-year-old North Carolina man who fired a military-style assault rifle inside a popular Washington pizzeria in December, wrongly believing he was saving children trapped in a sex-slave ring, was sentenced on Thursday to four years in prison.The man, Edgar Maddison Welch, drove on Dec. 4 from his hometown, Salisbury, N.C., to the Comet Ping Pong restaurant with three guns. He was investigating unfounded but widespread online reports of children held there in a child abuse scheme led by Hillary Clinton, a theory known as “Pizzagate.” But Mr. Welch, who pleaded guilty to federal weapons charges in March, rescued no children. Rather, he frightened employees and patrons, who panicked and ran.
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Science Vs kindly puts all reference to all information it refers to Josh Rogan types cannot claim the same
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Originally Posted by DiscoDB
Ah ha, that'll bee the lack of Sex then? [bigsad] [bigrolf]
A lot of people don't know that 'the pill', if taken in accordance with the days named on the packet, will ensure a women won't get her period on a weekend. Packet starts on a Monday from memory.Quote:
Originally Posted by NavyDiver
DL
That's hardly surprising. Anecdotally there appears to be a considerable proportion of people who don't understand where children come from, let alone can read a calendar. "Procreation favours the stupid".Quote:
Originally Posted by 350RRC