Thread: Covid Mk ll

Originally Posted by trout1105

they are in no mad rush to open everything up just because NSW says that 70% is the magic number.

This 70% target that is being flouted as the magic number by NSW

Well wrong as usual - the 70% is not a magic NSW number it is a number agreed at National Cabinet by all Premiers but some like your Premier have walked away from what they agreed (all States reaffirmed commitment at last weeks National Cabinet meeting).

I can accept Premiers making their own decisions but they should have to courage to not sign up if they don't agree rather than sign up and then say no.

Originally Posted by incisor

england and a few others with high vaccination rates have shown that approach is pure fantasy and kids are paying the price. hundreds of thousands of young people in england alone with long covid overwhelming the system to the point that new specialist facilities are being built to try and cope

and the numbers are rising still

Like this:

NHS England >> NHS sets up specialist young people’s services in PS100 million long COVID care expansion

The NHS is setting up specialist long COVID services for children and young people as part of a £100 million expansion of care for those suffering from the condition.
The 15 new paediatric hubs will draw together experts on common symptoms such as respiratory problems and fatigue who can directly treat youngsters, advise family doctors or others caring for them or refer them into other specialist services and clinics.
Some £30 million will also go to GPs to improve diagnosis and care for those with long COVID while the new investment will also boost online services.
The boost to dedicated services for young people is part of a package of investment in a range of measures to help young people and adults with long COVID, including a major focus on specialist treatment and rehab services.
Some estimates suggest that 340,000 people may need support for the condition including 68,000 who will need rehab or other specialist treatment.
Sir Simon Stevens will set out the plan to deal with the COVID ‘legacy’ at the annual NHS Confederation conference.
Sir Simon Stevens, NHS chief executive, is expected to say: “The NHS has worked hard to care for 400,000 COVID patients requiring hospital treatment and keep essential services going through successive waves and we now need to step up action to deal with the legacy.
“One of the major health challenges emerging from the pandemic is long COVID with hundreds of thousands of people predicted to suffer debilitating health issues such as breathing problems and fatigue.
“That is why the NHS is now going to invest £100 million in specialist services, including care for children and young people so that parents know advice is on hand through the new hubs to provide patients and their families with the help, support and care that they need.
“This is just the latest example of how NHS staff have pulled out all the stops to provide care for those who need it throughout this terrible pandemic.”
More than one million people have reported suffering from long COVID, according to the Office for National Statistics.
Symptoms include shortness of breath and extreme fatigue with almost a third of sufferers saying it has a significant impact on their daily life.
While the majority of children and young people are not severely affected by COVID, ONS data has shown that 7.4% of children aged 2-11 and 8.2% of those aged 12-16 report continued symptoms.

Originally Posted by incisor

none of this would have been a drama if ample supplies of vaccine, adequate infrastructure and a government that set out to look after the populace instead of the big business rorts now coming to the surface and allowing murdoch and sky news to play devisive politics because it had some advantage to them

the messaging being pushed by those politicking it for their own gain is what needs to change here

all along the message from those trying for covid 0 has been to keep it there as long as possible because the infrastructure available couldn't cope, which is exactly what is now happening in nsw and vic if you listen to the people on the front line and not the politicians

4 million extra Pfizer doses this month from the UK. Better late than never I suppose. Although there is plenty of AZ around, the demonisation of AZ was a real misstep also.

Regards,
Tote

Originally Posted by 101RRS

Well wrong as usual - the 70% is not a magic NSW number it is a number agreed at National Cabinet by all Premiers but some like your Premier have walked away from what they agreed (all States reaffirmed commitment at last weeks National Cabinet meeting).

I can accept Premiers making their own decisions but they should have to courage to not sign up if they don't agree rather than sign up and then say no.

That was when nsw had a decent approach to it before throwing their hands in the air

The formula used is no longer fit for purpose it seems and need reassessing

Originally Posted by windsock

28 cases in NZ today. Downward trend is slightly more reinforced by this.

As you expected, big drop in the R number for NZ today - down to 0.77 and showing that you have passed the peak.

https://chrisbillington.net/COVID_NZ.html

The trend is your friend.

NSW announces 1431 cases and 12 deaths, with predictions the worst is yet to come in October and daily cases could reach 3-4000.

Qld, WA, SA, NT and Tasmania announce zero cases.

Who gets criticised? Qld and WA for saying their first priority is to keep people safe.

Anyone see the problem right there?

The booming Covid-free export economies of WA and Qld are funding the nation, while NSW and Victoria sink deeper into recession.

Maybe the best thing for the national economy would be if WA and Qld kept their borders closed indefinitely until the whole nation reaches at least 90% vaxed.

Originally Posted by incisor

That was when nsw had a decent approach to it before throwing their hands in the air

The formula used is no longer fit for purpose it seems and need reassessing

And would that 70% be of eligible or total? Gets blurred by the pollie's narratives at will.

Originally Posted by Arapiles

I suspect that you'd need an NZ-style stage 4 lockdown to beat Delta, because it's infectiousness means that anything more open will lead to spread.

Hundreds more contact tracers were conscripted in from their normal duties within other govt departments. Masks and scanning into places was made mandatory. This on top of our normal Level 4. Probably a few other increased measures I have forgotten about. Our levels were adjusted for the delta. There is talk of us not going back to level 1 any time soon. May well be that Level 2 is our new Level 1.

It'll buy us a few more months to get our vaccination rates in order if we can beat it down.