Thread: Covid Mk ll

Originally Posted by Arapiles

The quintile %s are .... stark. It is the case that social disadvantage contributes to medical conditions, but to an extent the opposite is also true, because people with serious underlying medical conditions often can't work, or only in low paid roles. Vicious circle really.

And how often have we heard politicians say Covid doesn’t discriminate when it certainly does.

It is a very viscous circle - but also don’t just focus on the 1% of deaths that was triggered by Covid - those quintiles would no doubt equally apply to the ~40-50% of all deaths which are preventable medical conditions.

The other irony is (and this is pure speculation based on the low number of deaths with no other medical issues) - not having an underlying medical condition seems to be as effective as being vaccinated!

And I am pro-vaccination!

Originally Posted by DiscoDB

Data from the ABS which confirms what many have suspected or known, and gives a good insight into why this scares the crap out of some people - whilst others can not see the cause for concern.

COVID-19 Mortality in Australia | Australian Bureau of Statistics

Covid is taking the lives of people with serious health issues. So far, 92% of all Covid deaths have on average 2-3 other underlying medical conditions, and 70% of these had pre-existing chronic conditions such as heart disease, dementia, diabetes and cancer. It is also disproportionally affecting the most disadvantaged.

But even then it is only 1% of all deaths in Australia since the pandemic started. Which means little to no change in overall mortality rates.

The lost opportunity for our politicians is to talk about what can we do to eliminate the underlying medical conditions (that impact the disadvantaged the most) so that something like Covid is not going to bring on these deaths in the first place.

Yes Covid is the trigger, but it is not what is loading the gun.

Their biggest failing ? (insert your adjective choices here...) Lazy Ignorance.


With virtually no change to Excess Mortality, the Elite "leaders" have trashed our economies, incurred stupendous debt, sold our businesses to predatory FOREIGN "management funds" and shattered mental health for decades to come.
Oh, and divided asunder Australian Society. And we let them... any wonder why some of us are... NOT OK ?

Covid targets the FAT, Diabetic (T2) and those with 'Heart Disease'. Being an older male ain't smart either.. and a naturally "Tanned" complexion makes it even worse.

Best Bang for the buck is still to ensure your Garden Bed is hostile to invading pests...

Optimise your vitamin D.. You will need to educate yourself here, my Wife's GP has NO IDEA. Hers was falling off the bottom end of our so-called "Normal" range. Her suggestion of a quickie jab to get it rising... was met with blank stare.
She's seeing mine next week. Meanwhile she's upping her caps to 10,000 / day.

Yep, a couple of No - Brainer ideas, however they are- as you've noticed - not sexy or financiall rewarding enough for our politicians. You'know, the elected ones.

Originally Posted by DiscoDB

And how often have we heard politicians say Covid doesn’t discriminate when it certainly does.

It is a very viscous circle - but also don’t just focus on the 1% of deaths that was triggered by Covid - those quintiles would no doubt equally apply to the ~40-50% of all deaths which are preventable medical conditions.

The other irony is (and this is pure speculation based on the low number of deaths with no other medical issues) - not having an underlying medical condition seems to be as effective as being vaccinated!




And I am pro-vaccination!

Me Too ! but only Up till 2020 my most 'anti-vax' stand was....supporting parents who preferred to have polyvalents split, and jabbed seperately. But still supported the alphabet of jabs.

I STILL have no problems with Real Vaccines for Yellow Fever, Rabies, or Hep. etc, if I was going to be exposed.

Nope, when the makers of the most popular "vaxx'' demands 75 years silence before letting the world know what the FDA reviewed in 4 months. THEN I'm worried.

You're on the money. Great Health means your Immune System is running properly.

Very important to note though that whilst we in Australia seem to have had no change to excess mortality - countries like the UK have - especially for some age groups.

Australia has done incredibly well to date with one of the lowest fatality to case ratios in the world at only 0.16%.

This is why now is the right time to get on with living again. We are well vaccinated, and well informed of the risks.

But we do need to still protect the vulnerable and not expose people with underlying medical conditions to Covid (unless they give permission).

Originally Posted by superquag

Me Too ! but only Up till 2020 my most 'anti-vax' stand was....supporting parents who preferred to have polyvalents split, and jabbed seperately. But still supported the alphabet of jabs.

I STILL have no problems with Real Vaccines for Yellow Fever, Rabies, or Hep. etc, if I was going to be exposed.

Nope, when the makers of the most popular "vaxx'' demands 75 years silence before letting the world know what the FDA reviewed in 4 months. THEN I'm worried.

You're on the money. Great Health means your Immune System is running properly.

I am still 100% pro-Covid Vaccination.

In Victoria the data tells us unvaccinated people are 34 times more likely to end up in ICU than those who have received 3 doses. And once you get to ICU it is not good.

So if you have an underlying medical condition - please get vaccinated.

But for the healthy - your only fear should be if you give Covid to someone not as fortunate as you. So take precautions and don’t expose others. Don’t be the one pulling the trigger.

Went to the wife's old GP today (couldn't get in to mine) not Covid related just getting results of blood test. As is the case though these days the conversation turned to Covid and in this bloke's opinion (and he has recently returned from the UK) it is not as bad as the politicians and media make it out to be.
Yes, he agrees that for some it is not good at all but for most it is not the death sentence we are led to believe. And, he thinks that those dying WITH Covid and not FROM Covid are being counted as Covid deaths when they are not. He asked if I have had it. My answer was .... "don't know could have and not known". He agreed, many could or have had it and not known.

I'll get my booster when it is due not before, but unless the world turns to poop after that, it may be my last for this thing. Don't get me wrong as I have clearly stated before I am not anti-vax and have been vaccinated for numerous things but unless they come up with a better vax then I'm not sure I'll be up for boosters 4, 5 and 6, etc. Time to get back to living. I, like many, am suffering from Covid fatigue. I'm over masks, check-ins, government garbage, media garbage, social distancing, hoarders and all the rest of the crap going on.

I will continue to eat right and stay as healthy as I can (for my age) that is probably my best defence.

Originally Posted by DiscoDB

Very important to note though that whilst we in Australia seem to have had no change to excess mortality - countries like the UK have - especially for some age groups.

Australia has done incredibly well to date with one of the lowest fatality to case ratios in the world at only 0.16%.

This is why now is the right time to get on with living again. We are well vaccinated, and well informed of the risks.

But we do need to still protect the vulnerable and not expose people with underlying medical conditions to Covid (unless they give permission).

Actually, in the first year of the pandmic we had a drop in mortality - us and NZ and pretty much no-one else in the world.

Originally Posted by ChookD2

And, he thinks that those dying WITH Covid and not FROM Covid are being counted as Covid deaths when they are not.

Not in Australia they're not - that difference is specifically covered in the ABS report.