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    I spent a fair while yesterday cleaning up a pair of diffs, mainly the built up crud on the outside.

    One thing I would like to achieve in this project is the 'black are of diff setting' among other things. I have learnt so much already and have only just started.

    I had a customer here yesterday who had a look over the diffs, he himself has set up quite a number of rover diffs and he offered a day down the track to show me the finer points and what to look out for in setting these. For now, both diffs seem quite tight and the wear position marks on the crown wheel and pinion seems correct, in his opinion. These are now oiled and covered waiting for installation.



    The drive flanges, nuts and washers are in the molasses bath


    Next - front brakes




    Erich

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bundalene View Post

    I will take a step back and install swivel bearings top and bottom, removing the splined arrangement which was in place when I stripped it down. I am informed that the earlier Series 1's had this arrangement. I am going this way because it is cheap, easy and hopefully effective. I believe the downside is that it is difficult to get desired pre-load.



    New versus old








    Erich
    Further to this previous post, I removed a swivel today to check on a chrome ball and found this






    The same mod which I am doing. There was a thrust washer between the end of the shaft and the bearing


    Also we have been sorting front wheel brake components. I would like to put back cylinders with a BSF thread so that all the attachments and lines go back on without too much modification. I am aware that UNF cylinders are cheap and as a pinch I can make some BSF to UNF adapters

    The vehicle we are restoring came without and brake components, basically a bare rear diff housing and a front housing with a diff and 1 swivel






    We have 3 buckets of brake components purchased from the Walcha auction and recovered 1 damaged cast front wheel cylinder and about 30 alloy wheel cylinders. From all I have read, there seem to be some of these of dubious quality. The long and short I have located 4 cast wheel cylinders and given all a light hone. One left one might make the grade but both right ones are cracked











    cracked cylinder






    Some of these came from pretty corroded units












    As for brake shoes, we have heaps for the front


    The one from this vehicle I soaked in a molasses bath a while back and when I took it out after a week, it seemed to disintegrate in my fingers. I put this away into storage into that box which can't be found until you don't need it any more. Luckily there was another in the box of stares from Walcha. I stripped this and gave it a light hone by hand and it appears to need a sleeve













    All seems there, I will need a sleeve, seal kit and a large copper washer



    I will be off to Burts Brakes shortly to see what the damage is :



    Another item which needed addressing was the snail adjuster on one of the backing plates which turned freely by finger. I removed the snail bit, pressed the collar or spacer on a bit - about 1/2 mm and will weld back the snail - ran out of time today. The unit now turns with a little resistance as it should.





    You can see the small lip at the top of the collar which is how far it moved








    This stuff is so time consuming - it took me the best part of 1 hour just to remove a single bleed nipple


    Erich

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    Burt Brothers Brakes can do all, not sure about the prices but probably in the ball park where I expected.

    Re-sleeve the master cylinder as it needs sleeving. This means 2 sleeves, one in the bore and another on the plunger as the plunger is also worn. Apparently the plunger seal is more critical then the bore seal I am told.

    Price $80 per sleeve and a total of a bit under $200 for the 2 sleeves, seals and the unit re-assembled. Wheel cylinders are $60 per sleeve.

    I will remove a master cylinder from another 80inch and see what condition that is in.

    They can also make the flexible hose tails with BSF fittings on each end at $60 each.

    Also have the copper washers for the banjo bolts etc etc. Prices above are approximate


    Still having a think about which direction to go as I could buy the $20 - $25 wheel cylinders and have a hose tail with BSF on one end and UNF on the other. I will check all the brake lines and fittings before committing.


    Erich

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    Some vendors who used to be great and not worth the tyre rubber to go to anymore. Particularly when they do things like fit seals in master cylinders the wrong way around, which can be very dangerous if you ever manage to bleed the system in the first place.

    For a vendor who is still reliable, try B & R Brakes,
    176 Sunnyholt Rd, Blacktown NSW 2148
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bundalene View Post

    I will take a step back and install swivel bearings top and bottom, removing the splined arrangement which was in place when I stripped it down. I am informed that the earlier Series 1's had this arrangement. I am going this way because it is cheap, easy and hopefully effective. I believe the downside is that it is difficult to get desired pre-load.

    New versus old
    Erich

    I'f you're going to fit tapered roller bearings to the top of the swivels, it will make the steering lighter and transmit lots of bumps etc from the road, so you will be well advised to fit a steering damper to protect your thumbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies View Post

    For a vendor who is still reliable, try B & R Brakes,
    176 Sunnyholt Rd, Blacktown NSW 2148
    9621 6488
    Thanks for the heads up, I called in late this afternoon and they are going to quote up in the morning with several different options. The prices appear remarkably similar.


    Erich

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    Back again from a few days away.

    We have been removing the few rust patches from the chassis. Almost done.














    Also I figured out how to press back on the swivels which arrived late on Monday. I was going to re-use the locking collars, but the Workshop Manual advises to replace them. I was able to source these locally from Karcraft pretty cheaply so I didn't machine them myself. Also sourced new bearings locally








    Also managed to damage the steering relay unit which goes through the chassis. I had to cut out a very stubborn bolt in this when I removed this some time ago. I broke the casing trying to press it out, even though it was soaking in Penetrene for weeks. I have sourced a new one from All 4 x 4. I was actually looking forward to service this. The steering relay had a little play, so it may have been doomed anyhow.







    Also the brake parts are sorted, yet to be installed. I bought new wheel slave cylinders and had the master cylinder resleeved and this had a new plunger installed.





    Erich

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    Free play in the relay probably just means that it needs overhauling, not replacing, but I doubt the casing can be satisfactorily repaired.

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    Great work! Keep it up!!!

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    I started assembling the swivels and housings today and it wasn't long to figure out that this wasn't straight forward. I am using taper bearings both top and bottom, rather than Railko and or the original cone arrangement, By using a taper bearing at both top and bottom there was a fair bit of movement up and down of the swivel which is the opposite to what I required for shimming. This was difficult to measure so I machined up a temporary spacer out of aluminium, assembled the swivel and measured the gap with feeler gauges, which then allowed me to make the correct spacer.

    The exact measurement for zero shims was 3.5mm and the workshop manual recommends a minimum of 1mm of shims so I machined a 4.6mm washer out of Vibrac steel, which I believe is pretty tough.

    I am very much a novice when it comes to machining but so far I have managed to stay out of trouble.






    Hard to explain but this is what I mean







    Then I looked through all the spares and noticed one swivel steering arms with different length collar this not needing the spacer on the short axle side. I am confused.

    Anyhow, I was assemble the swivels but unable to quite achieve the 6kgs preload as per workshop manual, but managed a bit over 5kgs - see how it goes. I imagine this preload will increase once the seal is put in place, but the manual says to measure before installing the seal.












    We will be a bit quiet on this project for a while as we have family coming down from the NT for a few weeks. after which we are off to a the Barossa / Adelaide for a reunion, In May we are off to our 3 yearly trip to Beef Week in Rocky where I will be manning a stand for a mate.

    I might manage to sneak a bit in here and there


    Erich

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