Thread: Landrover Vs Toyota!!!.

Originally Posted by Scallops

My experience has shown me that the LR reputation is, unfortunately, deserved. I have a Defender - not quite 3 years old - and it has never gone for more than 6-8 weeks without something new breaking, leaking, failing etc.

All replaced under warranty - but really. A new vehicle. Sorry, but it's a very poor excuse for a tough truck.

Now - I've never owned a Toyota - never will either, but we have 20 or so Cruiser utes here at work - these are Geo's field vehicles. They are actually very good reliability wise, so being honest, I find the proposition of this thread, however well intentioned, simply untrue.

On top of this, with all the other LR I see (friends vehicles - club vehicles) - just far too many break down with predictable regularity.

The real problem here is me - I love them. Will my Defy ever become reliable? Time will tell, but to date it's simply crap.

I had a number of problems in warranty - probably not as many as you though A number of the major problems were caused by the dealership so I don't think you should count them (charging problems, screwed diff).

Having said that my car is out of warranty now and I haven't had any problems for the last couple of years (TOUCH WOOD). Only a clutch master which could happen to any car that is 5 years old.

In fact, I'd say mine is flying like a bird at the moment Defenders ROCK Most days I'm tankful that I don't have the added complexities in a Disco and my hearing has been hammered by previous long trips so the car doesn't seem as loud now

Oh please great Defender god do not smite me for these thoughts!

Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

I had a number of problems in warranty - probably not as many as you though A number of the major problems were caused by the dealership so I don't think you should count them (charging problems, screwed diff).

Having said that my car is out of warranty now and I haven't had any problems for the last couple of years (TOUCH WOOD). Only a clutch master which could happen to any car that is 5 years old.

In fact, I'd say mine is flying like a bird at the moment Defenders ROCK Most days I'm tankful that I don't have the added complexities in a Disco and my hearing has been hammered by previous long trips so the car doesn't seem as loud now

Oh please great Defender god do not smite me for these thoughts!

Glad to hear your truck is going well, Steve - the late TD5's are good - the first Pumas are garbage. Unfortunately, mine is the latter.

Originally Posted by uninformed

Bad choice there Pat, first of the engine in reference was Rick130's and anyone that knows Rick ,knows he is informed about Oils and certainly about vehicle maintainence

My engine also did the conrod to crank bearing among other things. I to was accused of lack of maintaining/servicing and driving like a dick or not knowing how to drive.....all by people that have never met me or my car

I'm not ripping Rick off at all and as a matter of fact he was the one bloke I chased when looking for an oil replacement for my R380.There is a big difference between a known faulty componant,the ZD30 is the best example and someone having a engine fail ex-amount of K's down the road.From memory you blamed the failure because the Tdi is overstressed doing it's job,something that to me is a load of rubbish. Pat

there have been other tdis die pat........well before the 400,000mile rebuild spec the engine is supposed to be designed for.

so in your mind why did mine fail?

Originally Posted by uninformed

certainly not true. there are more sold to begin with (Toy/Nissan) go offroading and the most modded are the Nissan's and Toy's running much bigger rubber, simply becasue they can(driveline wise)

235-85R16 is just the metric replacement for 750-16....nothing to crow about.

show me one nissan or Toy running rover diffs, axles or cvs?

As a percentage it is documented that the ratio of vehicles going offroad vs onroad for the big 4wd players is higher per capita of Landies.

Of the Nissans/Toyotas (especially) running much bigger rubber...
Almost all of them are running longfields (or soon will be)
Almost all of them fit lockers asap and before breaking their front diff.
Almost all Nissan owners fit crawler gears.
Running bigger rubber then twists their inadequate tail shafts which get replaced.
They change their weak hubs.


As for 750r16s... 235-85-16

They are a brilliant tyre and if I wasn't such a show pony I'd be running them!

There's a reason they work, and a reason the army still run bar tread skinnie style tyres. Yes the bigger vehicles run 9.00 and up but they are still a skinny and they work bloody well.

Have I ever seen a rover diff in a toy/nis? No...
But then I've never seen a Nissan diff in a Toyota to replace it's weak front diff either.

Originally Posted by Tombie2

But then I've never seen a Nissan diff in a Toyota to replace it's weak front diff either.

Originally Posted by SOMEDUDE

I am on my fourth & last front diff. i now have a nissan front diff spliced in.
All previous diff were broken going forward in 1st low at about 1500rpm.
the crown wheel in a 105 series is the same size as a 1986 hilux 2wd 2.0l.
Apparenty the new fix is some sort of locker & solid spacer & very tight tolerance on the pinion.
I don't know how this will last long term..
Although the nissan/toyota splice will last long term
If anybody is interested i have a new detroit locker to suit 105 or 80 series front.

Overlander 4WD :: View topic - My front diff sucks

Just a quick search, but its getting more common

Originally Posted by Scallops

Glad to hear your truck is going well, Steve - the late TD5's are good - the first Pumas are garbage. Unfortunately, mine is the latter.

Group LR man hug..... or some display of affection/kinship that is not uncomfortable for the both of us.

Thanks Rovercare!