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    Just read this thread and had a little stress out about my Salisbury! My 130 is set up for remote touring and seeing reports and photo's of broken diff housings is a bit sobering. If not overloaded and with sensible driving I'm sure that the vast majority of heavy duty thicker 130 diff housings would be fine. The trouble is I wasn't sure which Salisbury I had under my 130 as the previous owner had sourced a second-hand one to gain rear disc brakes. I scratched around but stuffed if I could find any numbers, so I took the breather out and measured the tube thickness with a small bit of bent wire and black tape, and are happy to say it is about 8.7mm thick.

    Still think it would be good to have some sort of external bracing. What would be wrong with making a gusset from the bump stop block welded to the tube and bolting to the diff pumpkin using the four mounting bolts for the A frame ball joint?

    Easiest way would be to simply raise the ball joint block by the thickness of the diff brace, say 12mm, and use longer bolts. Would raising the ball joint cause any issues?
    Cheers, Andrew.

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    Just saw the photos from jock and it's pretty much what I was thinking re the diff bracing! Couldn't see the photos before cos this phone app plays up often. Anyway I reckon it would have to help a lot. on the to do list!

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    I know this is an old thread but wanted to add my 2 cents worth. As you know the Salisbury axle was a Dana 60 axle licensed to be built in Europe. But I am a bit shocked at the wall thickness or actually the lack of thickness. 5.8 mm is less than 1/4" thickness. in fact its 0.22 thick. My front Dana 60 has 1/2" wall thickness or 0.50 / 13mm. No wonder there was failures! Here in the US the Dana 60 is one tough axle found on 1 ton trucks as well as 3/4 ton trucks. I can tell you they get over loaded for years and never have axle tube failures. The best thing some one could do to eliminate these failures is to first DO NOT EXCEED YOUR GVW. Number two replace the axle tubes. Have some 13MM wall tubing pressed in and welded. We truss axles that see lots of air. For a Land Rover that is loaded to max GVW I suspect 13mm wall tubes will eliminate these types of failures. I am still astonished they would only have 5.8mm walled tubes. In fact thats scary.

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    The wall thickness of the axles tubes have got me thinking. Are the Sal Housings thinner compared to a Dana 60 Housing? It seems to me since the Sals were made for lighter vehicles that maybe the housing will also be thinner compared to a Dana 60. Can someone confirm this? If you want a bullet proof rear axle I would import a Dana 60 from the USA. Thats if the housing is also thinner on the Sals. If not then just have some 13mm wall tubing pressed in or thicker. A truss on a thicker walled tube will greatly increase the strength as well.

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    Here is a replacement Dana 60 housing. Takes 3.050" axle tubes.

    Replacement center section for standard rotation Dana 60

    Here is a Currie Enterprise unit that has 3.5" diameter axle tubes.

    Currie Enterprises. 60-1000A - Dana 60 Housing - New Center, 3 1/2" Tubes, Large Bearing Ends

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    Quote Originally Posted by 67hardtop View Post

    Have you also thought about an APT fabricators diff cover for extra strength and stability for the diff centre. They are heavy and strong as all hell. I have one on my s2a
    It would also give you a strong point to maybe weld on those tabs you were talking about for bracing. Just a suggestion.

    Cheers Rod
    Hey mate

    Thanks for the suggestion, I'm already running one of the ARB style cast rear covers

    Quote Originally Posted by steveG View Post
    Hey Jock - good to see you've got some Landy thinking time on your hands now

    Just putting things in perspective:
    - You were pretty damn heavy
    - First housing had done a fair few K's
    - Second I'm guessing was sourced locally up north so unknown history but likely had a hard time on the local roads?
    - even landrover acknowledged that the 110 housing wasn't up to the HD 3500kg GVM - hence the
    - 130 housing is a whole lot stronger in the tubes - increased wall from about 5mm to 8mm from memory.

    While I haven't had to suffer the indignity of 2 truck trips from a broken Sals - thinking maybe you're going overboard on the strengthening plans and possibly creating other issues...

    Don't recall if I've said it earlier in this thread, but to me the internal tube method feels more elegant than external bracing.
    It also gives a laminated effect where a crack that starts in the main tube won't propagate directly through the brace tube, so as long as the internal tube is at least decently stitch welded at both ends to prevent it pulling out you should still have sufficient structure to get you home in the event that the main tube did crack.

    Also, not sure what the options are for NDT on a housing (maybe only x-ray), but depending on what you know about the history of the donor 130 housing it may be worthwhile looking into to confirm you've got a sound housing to start with.

    Steve
    Valid points Steve, and yeah I am aware that the first two diffs were probably less than average condition wise. I also agree that I may be going overboard with my bracing; but it's only once you've experienced that weird floating sensation in back end of your car that you can fully appreciate ridiculous overkill.

    Will brace it up when I get home and post up some photos

    Interesting posts from Outback, with regard to thicknesses

    While I was sitting on the side of the road a fella told me he had broken a Dana in his last F-250 as well, by the looks of his Cruiser is was probably just as overloaded as the rest of us

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