Thread: Carbon Tax. Well someone had to bring it up!

Originally Posted by isuzurover

I posted that a couple of pages back. 2t/t. So yes - steel should go up by $46/tonne.

Aluminium on the other hand, is 7t/t at best. So aluminium will be almost $200/tonne more expensive, which makes steel look cheap!

Glad I have already put a deposit on my new plate boat so they can't increase the price on me!

(but $100 - 200 extra on a 5m plate hull isn't a lot)

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How do you get only $100-200 dollars. The welders pay more for electricity so in addition to of the aluminium being much more expensive the welding of that aluminium is also much more expensive. The transport of that aluminium is also much more expensive after carbon tax, and the transport of the finished boat to the shop where you buy this boat is also much more expensive with carbon tax. And the lights of their showroom are much more expensive to run so they will add that cost to the price, hence the price of the boat will be increased by much more than the $100-200 you mention.

Originally Posted by JohnF

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How do you get only $100-200 dollars. The welders pay more for electricity so in addition to of the aluminium being much more expensive the welding of that aluminium is also much more expensive. The transport of that aluminium is also much more expensive after carbon tax, and the transport of the finished boat to the shop where you buy this boat is also much more expensive with carbon tax. And the lights of their showroom are much more expensive to run so they will add that cost to the price, hence the price of the boat will be increased by much more than the $100-200 you mention.

How much is much?

Then the business will change those expensive halogens downlights for LED or CF downlights, they'll etc...... hopefully thats what the tax will achieve - to make people bother.

Originally Posted by Tombie

Tombies Carbon reduction plan part 7....



They are a useless waste of Oxygen and a producer of copious amounts of Methane and CO2

BRING BACK

Instead of Housing and Feeding the Scum of society...
Get rid of them...

Not so sure about Ausfree on this forum--see his avatar picture.

Originally Posted by JohnF

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How do you get only $100-200 dollars. The welders pay more for electricity so in addition to of the aluminium being much more expensive the welding of that aluminium is also much more expensive. The transport of that aluminium is also much more expensive after carbon tax, and the transport of the finished boat to the shop where you buy this boat is also much more expensive with carbon tax. And the lights of their showroom are much more expensive to run so they will add that cost to the price, hence the price of the boat will be increased by much more than the $100-200 you mention.

You have to look at the magnitude of all of those though...

500kg of Al ~ 3.5 Tonnes CO2e
Electricity for welding and lighting ~ a few kgs CO2e
Welding wire production ~ a few grams CO2e
Transport - fuel not included for 2 years
(however 2.6 kg CO2e/L when it is included)

So - the only significant factor is the Al.

I think a lot of the confusion is that many people dont understand the above.

Originally Posted by isuzurover

You have to look at the magnitude of all of those though...

500kg of Al ~ 3.5 Tonnes CO2e
Electricity for welding and lighting ~ a few kgs CO2e
Welding wire production ~ a few grams CO2e
Transport - fuel not included for 2 years
(however 2.6 kg CO2e/L when it is included)

So - the only significant factor is the Al.

I think a lot of the confusion is that many people dont understand the above.

Yes, only if the ACCC do their job, which if you look at fuel pricing they dont do much of a job at all..

Speaking of fuel, why isnt all fuel included right from the start ? I ask this seriously, only because I haven't heard why fuel was exempt to start with and why heavy vehicle's start in 2 yrs..

Cheers Ean

Fire Reduction Burning time. Who should pay for all that released carbon?
How would they calculate it?

Originally Posted by 123rover50

Fire Reduction Burning time. Who should pay for all that released carbon?
How would they calculate it?

Scaremunger!

I don't think any of the top 500 businesses as outlined in the policy are into fire reduction burns.

Here is a very good point that Tony Abbott makes about what he thinks of the carbon tax. According to Malcolm Turnbull the Liberal policy under Abbott is oppose the ALP (ie, not the best interests of the country, but to oppose), but I think that Tony has come around with his thinking and now would prefer a more aggressive carbon tax to be implemented.... or he used to think that and how opposes it because that's his best chance of political survival. Mind you, he is suggesting an increase in tax, rather than a carbon tax.

‪Tony Abbott:"If you want to put a price on carbon why not just do it with a simple tax?"‬‏ - YouTube