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    Quote Originally Posted by ATH View Post
    I've got a rellie works for the USGS and they are very sceptical that climate change/global warming, call it what you want, is anything to do with mans activites.
    She has been measuring the glaciers in Chile (I think it's there) and reports that some are retreating but overall they are increasing. This is something the warmists won't tell you, they'll only shout about the decreasing areas.
    Same with the polar ice caps, some are decreasing and other areas increasing.
    And don't be conned by Gillard and her henchmen spouting about what others in the World are doing with carbon credits etc., mostly they're a big con making a few (like Gore and the Indian head of the IPCC) very rich indeed.
    Like our carbon tax they'll allow the big polluters to pass on the cost and keep polluting while the Gov shovels heaps of our hard earned into crap schemes, or passes many billions to poor so called developing countries to help their leaders fill their bank accounts in Switzerland and other secretive banking countries.
    Most of the leading climate studiers like the USGS are not convinced that taxation is the way to stop pollution even if it has no effect on our climate. What a huge body of the Worlds top scientists and us ordinary people thinks is that ALL pollution should be controlled with very heavy penalties for offenders.
    I and many others I've spoken to think climate is something even the big headed egotists in Canberra and other Govs can't control!
    But what you, or I, or billions of other think won't change the thinking of the warmist schemers or the money grabbers in parliament.
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    almost true but stating this in the way that you have, makes you guilty of the same alarmist misinformation tactics that you accuse others of.
    a simplistic explanation is

    when its very cold there is no snow ( snow fall)
    where its a bit warmer it snows
    where is even warmer then it rains

    some Glaciers are growing becouse it was so cold before it never melted but now its wormer it snows therefore the glasier is growing.

    other glaciers that were growing because it was worm enough to get snow now get rain so they are shrinking

    but the over all average is that there is less Ice on this earth than there was

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    Quote Originally Posted by slug_burner View Post
    So how many polar caps do you think there are?

    The whole point is to have goods that are carbon producing intensive become more expensive (pass the costs on) so that you the consumer will make the choice not to buy these products. You will then seek out the products produced with less carbon producing methods.
    Glad this was stated. There are plenty of folk on here far smarter than me, but I fail to see how this will work..

    Take power stations for example, not sure about elsewhere but here in Darwin we dont have a choice of who supplies our power, so reguardless of how high the carbon price is there is no reason for the power company to improve their carbon emisions as there is no one else.

    If the Government doesnt control the pricing from these companies then they will just keep passing it on because they have no competition, and no reason not too improve their carbon footprint.

    Cheers Ean

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ean Austral View Post
    Glad this was stated. There are plenty of folk on here far smarter than me, but I fail to see how this will work..

    Take power stations for example, not sure about elsewhere but here in Darwin we dont have a choice of who supplies our power, so reguardless of how high the carbon price is there is no reason for the power company to improve their carbon emisions as there is no one else.

    If the Government doesnt control the pricing from these companies then they will just keep passing it on because they have no competition, and no reason not too improve their carbon footprint.

    Cheers Ean
    you have a point, but i think you attention will switch to possibly sticking pannels on the roof, turning off lights, TV etc etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 85 county View Post
    you have a point, but i think you attention will switch to possibly sticking pannels on the roof, turning off lights, TV etc etc.
    Yes, here 450 km north of Brisbane (on the coast) we do not need a heater or AC and my electricity bill never go over $190 per 3 month ven if we have a mini treating plan fopr the waste and black eater.
    It is a matter to be more smart with the use of energy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chucaro View Post
    Yes, here 450 km north of Brisbane (on the coast) we do not need a heater or AC and my electricity bill never go over $190 per 3 month ven if we have a mini treating plan fopr the waste and black eater.
    It is a matter to be more smart with the use of energy.
    Come and spend the build up and wet season in the top end and tell me you dont need Air Con.

    We dont need a heater tho.

    Cheers Ean

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ean Austral View Post
    Come and spend the build up and wet season in the top end and tell me you dont need Air Con.

    We dont need a heater tho.

    Cheers Ean
    How was before the "AC age" up there?
    How many people cannot afor the AC and found a way to put up with the heat?
    The problem is that we are spoiled and we do not like to look for alternatives.
    I was in Brasil and without AC like all thre others up there and I got used to the heat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ean Austral View Post
    Glad this was stated. There are plenty of folk on here far smarter than me, but I fail to see how this will work..

    Take power stations for example, not sure about elsewhere but here in Darwin we dont have a choice of who supplies our power, so reguardless of how high the carbon price is there is no reason for the power company to improve their carbon emisions as there is no one else.

    If the Government doesnt control the pricing from these companies then they will just keep passing it on because they have no competition, and no reason not too improve their carbon footprint.

    Cheers Ean
    It has already been said, other sources of electricity that may appear uneconomical now will become better options as the carbon intensive produced electricity becomes more expensive.

    It is not all going to change overnight, they can't switch the coal burning power station off just yet. As the price of electricity goes up it will become more attractive for people to invest in other technologies due to the higher return they will get. But it takes years to build a power station of any type if it is going to produce any significant amounts of power.

    At the moment we have the option of paying a few more cents per kWh to take green energy, that gap will close as coal burning power stations have to put their prices up.

    Rome was not built in a day and coal fired generators will not disappear overnight.

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    Since the vast majority of coal fired power stations are owned by the state goverments does any body think they will run at a loss? not likely i think
    If the states dont just say they will build new green generating capacity we will end up with power generating in private hands thats something that we in NSW just said no to at the last election we might end up with it by stealth anyway All for green power but why not use the existing profits the state govt have been pulling out of the power sector to pay for it
    Or is this going to be a state v federal thing with each blaming the other for price increases

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    Quote Originally Posted by THE BOOGER View Post
    Since the vast majority of coal fired power stations are owned by the state goverments...
    ???

    Which ones? I though most had been sold to private companies years ago?

    Hazelwood Power Station and Mine – International Power Australia

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    In nsw at leat all coal fired plants are still owned by the nsw govt they only sold the retail billing nothing else so the big bad energy companys talked about by our (nsw) govt is themselves

    Corporate profile - Delta Electricity

    Paragraph 7

    The govt pretends they are private companys but they are soley owned by them and delta is not he only one if you look closer at most you will find the govt is the real owner

    another one or two
    http://www.macgen.com.au/
    http://www.eraring-energy.com.au/
    http://www.transgrid.com.au/aboutus/...s/default.aspx

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