Thread: Law & Order is STUFFED.

Originally Posted by vnx205

Bob, perhaps an important difference in your case is that you wanted to be there because you were aware of your goal at the end of it.
I would expect a less favourable outcome from someone who didn't want to be there.

Entirely correct. Everything was a means to an end. It may seem foolish, but I would have done it all for no pay, early on. Down the track that option wasn't so attractive. A mate of mine, was discharged as unsuitable for service. He went to Uni and is now a Barrister at the big end in Town. To each his own, I guess.

Originally Posted by Homestar

All I can add to this converation is this...

Brilliant! and not so far from the truth, at times. Some memories flooding back now. We had as our nemesis, a Chief Petty Officer Gunnery Instructor. Chief G.I. to the initiated. A throw back, the last of his kind, I won't mention his name, . He wasn't like the RSM in the video, he was soft voiced, full of menace. You would be day dreaming some where and next thing a quiet voice would be in your ear, " Do you have a headache, lad?" You knew to stand to attention and face the front, didn't dare turn around. No, Chief." NO CHIEF GI !", said with a menacing rumble, " You must have a headache, lad, because I'm standing on your hair", a rumbling voice like a distant earthquake. After waiting what seemed to be a respectable time, you turned around, and there was no one there. None of us could work out how he did it. Some said he slept in a coffin, a couple of shipwrights made up some wooden stakes, just in case. Just another larger than life character amongst many.

May as well go off topic as much as we can. It 'aint 'alf hot mum.

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An old favourite, the US version. " gentlemen, this is a horse". gets me every time.

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Like a lot of things they have to be seen in the context of the time. What seems the right thing to do can appear to be wrong based on different reference points. Some thing are wrong consistently.

An uncle of mine went through Duntroon just before WW2. He only seemed to have good memories of the experience although not sure about today’s students going along with the morning showers at 6am which were in the open with no protection from the wind coming off the snow covered mountains. This was used as an example of the way they were treated in general not as an isolated incident.

He did credit Duntroon with teaching him how to lead so people follow not through forcing them which was very useful through out his life. He was a master of knowing when to turn a blind eye but leave no doubt he was well aware of what was going on.

Originally Posted by 3toes

Like a lot of things they have to be seen in the context of the time. What seems the right thing to do can appear to be wrong based on different reference points. Some thing are wrong consistently.

An uncle of mine went through Duntroon just before WW2. He only seemed to have good memories of the experience although not sure about today’s students going along with the morning showers at 6am which were in the open with no protection from the wind coming off the snow covered mountains. This was used as an example of the way they were treated in general not as an isolated incident.

He did credit Duntroon with teaching him how to lead so people follow not through forcing them which was very useful through out his life. He was a master of knowing when to turn a blind eye but leave no doubt he was well aware of what was going on.

Part of what was happening at the RAN apprentice school was designed to bind the cohort together, to create, if you would, a team of young men, all working for each other. Don't forget, these were 15/16 year old boys, from all works of life. Country boys used to hard work, city boys just out of school. What looked like, to an outsider, a system designed to break people down, it actually made us stronger. Friendships were made that are as strong today as back then. From those boys came the Articifers that kept the fleet going, Engineering, Electrical, Gunnery, Air, even the Shipwrights had a job to do, although most of us are not quite sure what. What does this have to do with law & order? not much, I guess. However, if that system back then could create a body of disciplined young men, working for the common good, surely a system similar, perhaps not so complex, could work wonders for our youth of today. I'm thinking it's too late for those long term unemployed, who don't wont to work, but it might stop the young ones coming thru to fall into that trap. I notice France is bringing back conscription, [ not necessarily for the military]. Be interesting to see how that goes. Then again, perhaps I'm just dreamin'.

Found it.

French President Emmanuel Macron reinstates national service for all 16-year-olds

'Trigger-happy' Indonesian police target petty criminals in shooting spree before Asian Games - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)