Thread: Covid Mk ll

Originally Posted by Tote

I'm not sure that I agree with the whole story but some bits like the checkins are patently a waste of time. Covid restrictions, QR codes ending exposes scare-mongering | Joe Hildebrand | news.com.au — Australia’s leading news site

Regards,
Tote

Quite a perverse article. Because the steps we took worked, and what could've happened - as it did happen in the US, the UK and multiple other countries - didn't happen, now they say the restrictions and testing were never needed. But if you want to see how things could've been you don't need to look far - for example, the US' 7 day daily average for deaths is over 2000 and they're closing in on a million dead.

It's a line that was predicted at the start of this thing - we'll take precautions, they'll be effective and then critics will, as a result, say that they were never needed in the first place.

As an example, the reason the death rate is so low is because we didn't allow Covid to spread, not because Covid itself is harmless.

The bigger question is why these articles get published.

Edit: Oh, and BTW, given that I'm currently in isolation because one of my kids GOT COVID AT SCHOOL and it WAS PICKED UP BY RA TESTING and there were 18,000 kids with it in Victoria since school went back I'd say that the fears weren't unfounded but the testing has worked well - my daughter has few symptoms and they're largely the same as the cold I have *runny nose but 2x clear RAT) and if she'd been at school it's likely that she would've infected others but hasn't because the RAT picked it up.

Originally Posted by Arapiles

Quite a perverse article. Because the steps we took worked, and what could've happened - as it did happen in the US, the UK and multiple other countries - didn't happen, now they say the restrictions and testing were never needed. But if you want to see how things could've been you don't need to look far - for example, the US' 7 day daily average for deaths is over 2000 and they're closing in on a million dead.

It's a line that was predicted at the start of this thing - we'll take precautions, they'll be effective and then critics will, as a result, say that they were never needed in the first place.

As an example, the reason the death rate is so low is because we didn't allow Covid to spread, not because Covid itself is harmless.

The bigger question is why these articles get published.

These articles get published because they are opinion pieces aimed at generating discussion. Much like this forum allows us to post opinion pieces (such as this one).

Yes Australia has done well to manage Covid, and in particular to control the more deadly earlier variants despite plenty of mistakes made along the way.

What the ABS data does support is Omicron is pretty much harmless for healthy (and presumably mostly vaccinated) people, but still a risk for people with serious health issues. The actual death rate from Covid is very low, but the death rate with Covid can still happen and we still need to protect the vulnerable.

If anything the ABS data supports we have not let it rip, but rather we are opening up at the right time, and WA is appropriately following suit now that booster shots are well up (and higher than every state and territory except ACT).

Edit: do we really need to fear kids getting a runny nose or cold like symptoms. Your only fear should be they pass it on to someone with multiple underlying medical conditions - which as you note is why the testing is good. All kids should be considered as being super spreaders.

Originally Posted by DiscoDB

These articles get published because they are opinion pieces aimed at generating discussion. Much like this forum allows us to post opinion pieces (such as this one).

Yes Australia has done well to manage Covid, and in particular to control the more deadly earlier variants despite plenty of mistakes made along the way.

What the ABS data does support is Omicron is pretty much harmless for healthy (and presumably mostly vaccinated) people, but still a risk for people with serious health issues. The actual death rate from Covid is very low, but the death rate with Covid can still happen and we still need to protect the vulnerable.

If anything the ABS data supports we have not let it rip, but rather we are opening up at the right time, and WA is appropriately following suit now that booster shots are well up (and higher than every state and territory except ACT).

Edit: do we really need to fear kids getting a runny nose or cold like symptoms. Your only fear should be they pass it on to someone with multiple underlying medical conditions - which as you note is why the testing is good. All kids should be considered as being super spreaders.

Good post. School kids should be banned from Schools as they bring every thing bad home. ( they never brought home the new Blonde long legged teachers though ) When our two were littlies we had some dreadful ailments. GPs shrugged those off as normal Kid stuff.
Grand kids do not visit when they are crook now. By express Kommand of Frau Kommandant.


Basil. " Und ze orders must be obeyed."


It didn't help us near Death's Door, but by jayzuz we had some rough times!

Hi, some one commented that if, at the end of all this, people say we went too far with prevention measures, the he would be happy that the job was done well.
Cheers

Originally Posted by austastar

Hi, some one commented that if, at the end of all this, people say we went too far with prevention measures, the he would be happy that the job was done well.
Cheers

But it was a new thing not like it was a Mumps epidemic which they were familiar with. It was all brand new "technology" but I guess we are prepared for the "next time".


EDITED.

Is there a vaccine for mumps?
There are 2 vaccines that can prevent mumps: The MMR vaccine protects children and adults from mumps, measles, and rubella. The MMRV vaccine protects children from mumps, measles, rubella, and chickenpox.29 Apr 2021

I don't hear anyone screaming about having a Mumps Vax.


Apparently the vax can give lifetime protection.

Originally Posted by DiscoDB

WA border opening date is March 3, as Mark McGowan announces new COVID restrictions - ABC News

I guess the question is - does this mean WA is finally going to….dare I say it…..

Unleash the Kraken!

(You all thought I was going to say Let it Rip!)

Wot? No way, whatever possessed you to think that pray tell?

Originally Posted by DiscoDB

What the ABS data does support is Omicron is pretty much harmless for healthy (and presumably mostly vaccinated) people, but still a risk for people with serious health issues. The actual death rate from Covid is very low, but the death rate with Covid can still happen and we still need to protect the vulnerable.

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Edit: do we really need to fear kids getting a runny nose or cold like symptoms. Your only fear should be they pass it on to someone with multiple underlying medical conditions - which as you note is why the testing is good. All kids should be considered as being super spreaders.

Yep, and in our case both myself and my wife are in what are supposed to be high-risk groups.

But there's still a lot of variability, even amongst the young - a young colleague (he's about 28, I think), his partner and their housemate all got it: two of them were fine, one got very sick.

And then, who knows what long Covid will bring.

Originally Posted by Arapiles

And then, who knows what long Covid will bring.

This is the elephant in the room.

We live in interesting times.