Thread: Won’t be retro...

Originally Posted by TB

Taking into account the info from Lucky 8 where they offered confirmation that the driveline will be recognisably similar to the D5, I will be astonished if we don’t get options for at least a rear locker in addition to the standard centre locking diff. That combo with the latest generation of traction control is pretty hard to beat.

I’d still love to see a front locker as an option.
And a winch.
And on-board air.
And fully accessible diagnostics (no more GAP tool).
And explicit provision for UHF/HF radio antenna, cabling and head unit mounting.
And LR designed rock sliders and front bar.
And frickin mud flaps that are worth having.
And a decent jack.

How hard could it be...?

Good list, aftermarket will provide where LR dont, when you consider the improvements over current Defender with new one it will leave very little in need of modifying as per recent post.

For me, sliders, winch bar, roofrack, maybe 2 inch subframe spacers and 34s muddies, fridge, drawers, maybe snorkel?

It seemed ok to all for Defender to remain Defender through it's upgrades......which were many.

Originally Posted by loanrangie

Thats just splitting hairs, same same.

Maybe, but that's what actually happened.

Originally Posted by TB

Taking into account the info from Lucky 8 where they offered confirmation that the driveline will be recognisably similar to the D5, I will be astonished if we don’t get options for at least a rear locker in addition to the standard centre locking diff. That combo with the latest generation of traction control is pretty hard to beat.

I’d still love to see a front locker as an option.
And a winch.
And on-board air.
And fully accessible diagnostics (no more GAP tool).
And explicit provision for UHF/HF radio antenna, cabling and head unit mounting.
And LR designed rock sliders and front bar.
And frickin mud flaps that are worth having.
And a decent jack.

How hard could it be...?

It isn't "hard".

By 'on-board air' , do you mean an air compressor? One wonders sometimes if manufacturers ever consider that the vehicles they build roll on tyres that constantly need air adjustments for the terrain and damage that they sustain ?

I think diagnostics could be easily available using the screens all models now have, plumb it in.....standard....it will probably improve LR's serviceability if drivers are informed of the vehicles condition.

I have never used a winch in over 40 yrs of off-roading....I think unnecessary but could be option for those who feel the need.

Decent jack is a must...surely its a tested fitting for offroad vehicles.....but I threw my D2 jack away and replaced it with much better item, and I threw my Ranger jack away and also replaced it.

Good mudflaps I agree with, they're also stone guards. LR have the best floormats...( if you don't have them get someone to buy you a set for your b'day, fathers/mothers day or any reason) ....they should fit the best mudflaps as well...as standard.

Originally Posted by ramblingboy42

It isn't "hard".

By 'on-board air' , do you mean an air compressor? One wonders sometimes if manufacturers ever consider that the vehicles they build roll on tyres that constantly need air adjustments for the terrain and damage that they sustain ?

I think diagnostics could be easily available using the screens all models now have, plumb it in.....standard....it will probably improve LR's serviceability if drivers are informed of the vehicles condition.

I have never used a winch in over 40 yrs of off-roading....I think unnecessary but could be option for those who feel the need.

Decent jack is a must...surely its a tested fitting for offroad vehicles.....but I threw my D2 jack away and replaced it with much better item, and I threw my Ranger jack away and also replaced it.

Good mudflaps I agree with, they're also stone guards. LR have the best floormats...( if you don't have them get someone to buy you a set for your b'day, fathers/mothers day or any reason) ....they should fit the best mudflaps as well...as standard.

Agreed, especially with Air susp, onboard air should be standard. Then again they gota leave somethings for us to Mod or they would all be the same

Originally Posted by ramblingboy42

By 'on-board air' , do you mean an air compressor?

Yes. Not unimog portal axles. Just a nicely integrated compressor and a suitable socket and hose.

I think diagnostics could be easily available using the screens all models now have, plumb it in.....standard....it will probably improve LR's serviceability if drivers are informed of the vehicles condition.

Even if they just effectively built in the equivalent of a GAP Tool, accessible via an app that they could charge money for that’d be fine by me. Putting some kind of a restriction on who can do potentially damaging things to the vehicle makes sense, but this is 2020 we’re talking about. ODB is well past its use-by date.

I have never used a winch in over 40 yrs of off-roading....I think unnecessary but could be option for those who feel the need.

I’ve been driving for 25 years and never needed an airbag. I’m bloody glad to have them in my vehicles though, just in case.

LR have the best floormats...( if you don't have them get someone to buy you a set for your b'day, fathers/mothers day or any reason)

Looking at my D4’s carpet... yeah I really should do that.

"Defender is going to be a very different vehicle from both Discovery and Range Rover,"

"It will be the best 4x4 by far, I will say that,"

Fighting words

Land Rover plans September reveal of new Defender - Autoblog

Originally Posted by blackrangie

Its where defender came from, just like 200 series from a 60 series, no need for that language on here

But they are dickheads. I'll use whatever language I want, usually the swear remover cleans it up. Obviously this is acceptable.

A LandCruiser has been a LandCruiser since the first one was revealed, LandCruiser has legitimate heritage.

The DEFENDER name does not. The Defender came about AFTER the Discovery was introduced in 1989
Any Landrover before 1989 , even a 110 County is not a Defender.

The other dickhead move they made was to name Discoveries Series 1 , 2 , 3 etc .
Its a real pain looking up proper LandRover Series 1,2 or 3 parts & Discovery crap keeps getting referenced.

Anyway I have no vested interest in this as I'll never be buying another JLR product as they have diverged so far diff track from anything I'll ever be wanting or needing.