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The gist of has been said is that if you are involved in an accident and being restrained by a rear seat belt, you really don't want that seat belt bolt loaded with additional impact from unsecured items behind the cage.Originally Posted by cucinadio
ok then where are the mounts that are provided at the top other than a drill hole in the panal work ???
They are not provided. It IS a PITA of a job to fit in the D1, ask me how I know.
HTML Code:The Milford barrier for the Disco does not attach to the seat belt mounts top or botton, nor does it attach to the hand rail mounts
i didt mean the disco i ment other trucks like the gu, gq
sorry mate !!!!
and where are the mount holes on the floor of the d1 provided for the mounts cause theres none on mine as i checked to do excacery that !!!!?????
i appriciate your input but i think were getting into the usual engineeering semantic's
cheers
ps, if you are NICE to him P38A used to have a copy of the fitting instructions on PDF, my copy courtesy of Ron is at home otherwise I would post it up now for you to studyy and understand how it should be mounted.
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you get the pleasure of feeling whatever you want.....
my remarks were directed at rangieman who was in his own sweet and predictable way way having a go at someone over their stating some rather pertinent points.
your a big person and can do as you wish as long as you are also big enough to wear the pain if it comes back to bite you :P
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Major part of the heart and soul of AULRO.comBlowed if I know how you come up with that. I was making a comment based completely on safety grounds.
Having said that, your barrier will be a lot stronger than the genuine LR dog guard (i had one of those and it's NOT a cargo barrier). I'm sure you understand the limitations of yours and won't be expecting it to hold back something large and very heavy. it will be great for most of the stuff one carries on a trip away, swags, sleeping bags, etc., that seem to fill the back of the car.
I fully intend modifying a VN Commodore barrier to suit my P38A (as Milford don't make one for mine). However, I haven't progressed as I haven't worked aout a suitable top mount. It will be more a sleeping bag/swag guardthan a rated barrier.
You've quoted "putting others in danger " - I don't think that was written anywhere so therefore it shouldn't be written as a quote.
Ron B.
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last time i looked it was called "common sense"It s only cause our resident engineers are invovled , and the legal eagles are screaming
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2012 SZ Territory TX 2.7 TDCi
"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." -- a warning from Adolf Hitler
"If you don't have a sense of humour, you probably don't have any sense at all!" -- a wise observation by someone else
'If everyone colludes in believing that war is the norm, nobody will recognize the imperative of peace." -- Anne Deveson
“What you leave behind is not what is engraved in stone monuments, but what is woven into the lives of others.” - Pericles
"We can ignore reality, but we cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.” – Ayn Rand
"The happiness of your life depends upon the quality of your thoughts." Marcus Aurelius
Swaggie
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Oh boy, what started out as simple post with pictures, has turned quite nasty.
Ron has simply stated that the way the barrier is fitted, it doesn't comply with ADRs.
The simple solution is for Ron or some one post a picture of the correct fitting places so cucinadio's Brother can modify it to suit!
Quite simply, really and no need for smart comments.
Cheers
Major part of the heart and soul of AULRO.comThe main reason I can think of for straight supports in this case is that the setup as shown has quite a large angle between the bolts and the barrier. In an accident, and particularly if the seat is folded, any loading towards the top of the barrier will cause the top to move forward and down, thus rotating the barrier with the bottom mounts acting as hinges. Depending on the strength of the lower bars, they may just bend or they may twist the lower seat belt mounts out of the floor. I suspect the bars will bend.
If the upper straps were moved to be more in line it would reduce that effect.
However, that would leave more of the top of the barrier unsupported. This isn't of great import if the loads are kept light.
The other reason is that I believe it is good engineering practice to keep the straps in line for reasons of bearing the loads applied.
Note I am not an engineer but an electronics tech. I'm just applying a bit of reasoning.
Ron B.
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Previous: 1983, 1986 RRC; 1995, 1996 P38A; 1995 Disco1; 1984 V8 County 110; Series IIA
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mmm very insitefull "
thanks mate love your work
cheers
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dam, another sleepless night....
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2012 SZ Territory TX 2.7 TDCi
"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." -- a warning from Adolf Hitler
"If you don't have a sense of humour, you probably don't have any sense at all!" -- a wise observation by someone else
'If everyone colludes in believing that war is the norm, nobody will recognize the imperative of peace." -- Anne Deveson
“What you leave behind is not what is engraved in stone monuments, but what is woven into the lives of others.” - Pericles
"We can ignore reality, but we cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.” – Ayn Rand
"The happiness of your life depends upon the quality of your thoughts." Marcus Aurelius
Cynical Moi?
I despair. cucinadio asked for barrier advice here a few weeks ago & was given plenty, good & bad. He then seems to get carried away with a "bargain" buy (that remains to be seen whether it is one day or not) & totally seems to ignore what he was told. (he did ask for advice then). Gap, seat belt bolt mounting etc.
I cited a case in SA where a TV receiver moved forward in an accident & crushed the drivers little daughter between the seat back & the seat belt. She died.
It seems to me a safety barrier needs to be just that or forget it. What if a solid smaller denser load is carried & moves under the grille?
cucinadio, either get your self a correct barrier & have it fitted by professionals or remove the one you have, as it will give you a false sense of security. It's your kid's lives you are playing with & you may have to live with that. I hope not.
Correct fitting barriers have actually saved lives, but not only in the front to back movement of goods, but also in the event of a rollover. Discovery roof collapse seems to gain strength from a correctly fitted barrier. There have been plenty of photos published showing that.
Ok, it's a Prado, but it's the same effect.
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