What happened to your Discovery 2 today?

With a D2 you can achieve almost a similar effect by adding the handbrake such as it is , as the handbrake works on all four wheels with difflock engaged unlike later LRs. Helps clean off the oil also.

Regards PhilipA

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It is also called driving through the brakes - this is for AUTO's by the way, basically as you crest the hill you apply the brakes (with the left foot) and release partly until you sort of hear the groan of brakes, that is it is JUST being held on the brakes. As the hill is steep, you would be in First Low range of course.

Then applying revs while holding the brake with your left foot maintaining the brake pedal at the same pressure, as you start moving away you are controlling the speed with the accelerator, if you release the accelerator you stop. You should hear the engine 'laboring / working' as you are moving as indicative of correct technique.

If the hill then flattens or becomes steeper again, stop the vehicle and then redo the required pressure to stop as this will increase/decrease, so once you hear the 'groaning' - maintain the pressure (with left foot) and drive through the accelerator again. Foot off accelerator and the car will stop.

It was stressed by the instructor (an official LR instructor by the way) that this is not going to overheat the brakes and vehicles are designed for this.

The other most interesting thing was when leaving river crossing, the chassis is designed to hold an incredible amount of water which should be dumped at the exit not up the track which can amount to tonnes of water being dumped as convoys travel across the rivers.

Doing it through LROV the cost was only $70 with pub lunch and this is well and truly covered by the fact that Club4x4 insurance offer 20% off premiums if you have done this accredited course

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That's an interesting approach, I'll be sure to give it a try next time im out.

And that's some wild trivia about the chassis rails and the water. Very cool

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That's an interesting approach, I'll be sure to give it a try next time im out.

And that's some wild trivia about the chassis rails and the water. Very cool

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Should have added that this is equally applicable as when having to reverse down a hill as well, same technique, just holding by brake with left foot and apply accelerator to control speed. Foot off and the vehicle stops, the stopping is well controlled without brakes locking at 'speed' and subsequent loss of control.

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So today did the practical side of the Proficiency Training through LROV up at the Black Spur and this was surely so enlightening as to 4WDing. .......

Now more than ever in awe of the D2's capability and the fact that if you have ACE, it is surely an extra layer of capability - should have been standard.

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The instructor on my course stated that the driver will chicken out before the car is over extended. The intermediate is a good one to do. Still waiting for the advanced one

Would anyone be kind enough to snap a picture of their TD5 engine bay driver side that shows how the wiring harness routes from the underside of the intake runners for the cable that runs along the front and off to the ECU area from out near the alternator?

I have pulled my harness out but didn't take pictures ha-ha, I have a brand new one I put in and want to confirm I have it mostly correct.

Seems if your oil sensor wires are broken it doesn't set the light on the dash off? lol.
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Would anyone be kind enough to snap a picture of their TD5 engine bay driver side that shows how the wiring harness routes from the underside of the intake runners for the cable that runs along the front and off to the ECU area from out near the alternator?

I have pulled my harness out but didn't take pictures ha-ha, I have a brand new one I put in and want to confirm I have it mostly correct.

Seems if your oil sensor wires are broken it doesn't set the light on the dash off? lol.
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I went to get you one, but it looked wrong itself! And The defender is different again.
I'll check another tomorrow , see what I can find.

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Originally Posted by PhilipA

With a D2 you can achieve almost a similar effect by adding the handbrake such as it is , as the handbrake works on all four wheels with difflock engaged unlike later LRs. Helps clean off the oil also.

Regards PhilipA

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Did ask about this by the way as I was going to embark on the long steep slope (made sense to me), was told by the instructor that NO this places greater strain on the transmission and is not recommended.

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Did ask about this by the way as I was going to embark on the long steep slope (made sense to me), was told by the instructor that NO this places greater strain on the transmission and is not recommended.

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From my perspective it would be no different strain wise than the brake pedal.

You are just applying the restriction earlier in the drive train.

Although I guess the hand brake only works on the rear diff, but as stated by PhilipA, with the diff Lock engaged there wouldn't be much difference.

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Did ask about this by the way as I was going to embark on the long steep slope (made sense to me), was told by the instructor that NO this places greater strain on the transmission and is not recommended.

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And it’s that sort of answer / training that is the reason I left clubs and stopped being a trainer/assessor.

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From my perspective it would be no different strain wise than the brake pedal.

You are just applying the restriction earlier in the drive train.

Although I guess the hand brake only works on the rear diff, but as stated by PhilipA, with the diff Lock engaged there wouldn't be much difference.

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And it’s that sort of answer / training that is the reason I left clubs and stopped being a trainer/assessor.

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The very reasons I asked!, Suppose the thought that struck me with the answer was more along the lines of a single brake and it being a drum brake at that having to be 'firmer' than all four brakes, especially with four wheel discs on the D2, and subsequent heat build up on it and then the slack in the driveline when coming to a stop. Also being a group training it becomes a one answer for 4WDing and if you were to get used to the handbrake and drive a non drivetrain handbrake, the technique has not been learnt.

That said would not be averse to using this technique of the handbrake on when doing some technical sections as to assisting the traction control as in left foot braking when traversing sections where TC would be reasonably expected to be coming on i.e. cross axles.