Thread: Corona Virus

For those who think " herd immunity " may be a good thing, Perhaps it may not be.

Damage to multiple organs found in long COVID cases . Study of low risk individuals finds impairments four months after infection. I guess this makes the " herd immunity " theory redundant.

"Young and previously healthy people with ongoing symptoms of Covid-19 are showing signs of damage to multiple organs four months after the initial infection, a study suggests.
The findings are a step towards unpicking the physical underpinnings and developing treatments for some of the strange and extensive symptoms experienced by people with “long Covid”, which is thought to affect more than 60,000 people in the UK. Fatigue, brain fog, breathlessness and pain are among the most frequently reported effects.
On Sunday, the NHS announced it would launch a network of more than 40 long Covid specialist clinics where doctors, nurses and therapists will assess patients’ physical and psychological symptoms."

EDIT. Preliminary data from the first 200 patients to undergo screening suggests that almost 70% have impairments in one or more organs, including the heart, lungs, liver and pancreas, four months after their initial illness.


Damage to multiple organs recorded in 'long Covid' cases | World news | The Guardian

Originally Posted by bob10

For those who think " herd immunity " may be a good thing, Perhaps it may not be.

Damage to multiple organs found in long COVID cases . Study of low risk individuals finds impairments four months after infection. I guess this makes the " herd immunity " theory redundant.

"Young and previously healthy people with ongoing symptoms of Covid-19 are showing signs of damage to multiple organs four months after the initial infection, a study suggests.
The findings are a step towards unpicking the physical underpinnings and developing treatments for some of the strange and extensive symptoms experienced by people with “long Covid”, which is thought to affect more than 60,000 people in the UK. Fatigue, brain fog, breathlessness and pain are among the most frequently reported effects.
On Sunday, the NHS announced it would launch a network of more than 40 long Covid specialist clinics where doctors, nurses and therapists will assess patients’ physical and psychological symptoms."

EDIT. Preliminary data from the first 200 patients to undergo screening suggests that almost 70% have impairments in one or more organs, including the heart, lungs, liver and pancreas, four months after their initial illness.


Damage to multiple organs recorded in 'long Covid' cases | World news | The Guardian

So what you are saying is that even if you do survive the initial infection you have a 70% chance of being screwed anyway, Best not to get infected in the first place

Originally Posted by trout1105

So what you are saying is that even if you do survive the initial infection you have a 70% chance of being screwed anyway, Best not to get infected in the first place

No one knows all about this virus. It seems we are playing by ear, learning as we go along. A bit like the Irish mine disposal soldier, blindfolded and barefoot, feeling the way through the minefield. [ Apologies to the Irish, BTW] Opening up by XMAS seems a long shot. Only a proven vaccine will get us going again. All else is desperation, and fantasy. Tighten your belts, it is going to be a long summer.

Originally Posted by Tote

I stand corrected, I was going on what we had been told during a tour of North Head Quarantine station in Sydney where a significant number of medical staff died and were buried onsite. Bearing in mind that this was 1800s - 1940s.

Regards,
Tote

The closure of a specialty facility such as Fairfield leads to dilution of expertise, as well as diluting the location concentration of really infectious patients.

The most recent example of this is in SA atm, where the combination of people being quarantined in a completely inappropriate facility and being overseen by inadequately trained personnel has led to a potentially very costly outcome.............. both health and money wise.

DL

Originally Posted by Tote

I stand corrected, I was going on what we had been told during a tour of North Head Quarantine station in Sydney where a significant number of medical staff died and were buried onsite. Bearing in mind that this was 1800s - 1940s.

Regards,
Tote

Fun Fact their record greatly improved after they banned "Casual Friday".

Originally Posted by trout1105

So what you are saying is that even if you do survive the initial infection you have a 70% chance of being screwed anyway, Best not to get infected in the first place

Just watched the German news on SBS. One question asked was what are the long term effects of COVID. and you are pretty much on the money. Organs such as the heart have been found to have tissue damage, and it is being said that COVID is the Polio of this generation. The frightening thing is there has not been any long term studies [ for obvious reasons ] of life after COVID, so no one knows what other health problems may arise.

This is from the MAYO Clinic. It's interesting to know that COVID has detrimental effects on all ages, not just the elderly.

"Organ damage caused by COVID-19


Organs that may be affected by COVID-19 include:

• Heart. Imaging tests taken months after recovery from COVID-19 have shown lasting damage to the heart muscle, even in people who experienced only mild COVID-19 symptoms. This may increase the risk of heart failure or other heart complications in the future.
• Lungs. The type of pneumonia often associated with COVID-19 can cause long-standing damage to the tiny air sacs (alveoli) in the lungs. The resulting scar tissue can lead to long-term breathing problems.
• Brain. Even in young people, COVID-19 can cause strokes, seizures and Guillain-Barre syndrome — a condition that causes temporary paralysis. COVID-19 may also increase the risk of developing Parkinson's disease and Alzheimer's disease.

Blood clots and blood vessel problems


COVID-19 can make blood cells more likely to clump up and form clots. While large clots can cause heart attacks and strokes, much of the heart damage caused by COVID-19 is believed to stem from very small clots that block tiny blood vessels (capillaries) in the heart muscle.

Other organs affected by blood clots include the lungs, legs, liver and kidneys. COVID-19 can also weaken blood vessels, which contributes to potentially long-lasting problems with the liver and kidneys.
Problems with mood and fatigue


People who have severe symptoms of COVID-19 often have to be treated in a hospital's intensive care unit, with mechanical assistance such as ventilators to breathe. Simply surviving this experience can make a person more likely to later develop post-traumatic stress syndrome, depression and anxiety.

Because it's difficult to predict long-term outcomes from the new COVID-19 virus, scientists are looking at the long-term effects seen in related viruses, such as severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS).
Many people who have recovered from SARS have gone on to develop chronic fatigue syndrome, a complex disorder characterized by extreme fatigue that worsens with physical or mental activity, but doesn't improve with rest. The same may be true for people who have had COVID-19.
Many long-term COVID-19 effects still unknown


Much is still unknown about how COVID-19 will affect people over time. However, researchers recommend that doctors closely monitor people who have had COVID-19 to see how their organs are functioning after recovery.

It's important to remember that most people who have COVID-19 recover quickly. But the potentially long-lasting problems from COVID-19 make it even more important to reduce the spread of the disease by following precautions such as wearing masks, avoiding crowds and keeping hands clean."



On Wednesday night , Lang Park has been opened up to full capacity for the State of Origin [ 50,000 people.] I have a bad feeling about this.

One experts explanation on why Australia is doing better than the USA with COVID . From Defense One, posted in Walrus. Talking about how Countries with strong resilience fare better with COVID.

What makes some countries more resilient than others, Michele Grossman, a resilience expert at Deakin University in Melbourne, told me, is “how well the interdependent and interactive systems that make up ‘the nation’ are working.”

Australia has so far performed better against the coronavirus than has the United States, which Grossman attributed to a host of variables. She pointed, for instance, to the Australian government’s early restrictions and preparedness measures even before the World Health Organization declared a pandemic, which reflected the “resilience principle of being adaptive and dynamic … in response to new circumstances.” Other factors ranged from the government’s prioritization of suppressing the virus over reopening the economy, which recognized that resilience requires “trade-offs between systems,” to Australians’ “long history of lived resilience” from experiencing natural disasters, which underscores that resilience emerges “in contexts of adversity.”

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